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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Woodpuppy » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:23 pm

kennethsime wrote:
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sal wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 pm
We're open to suggestions.

sal
Does this just refer to color suggestions?

I'd love an Endela with a choil. :-)
I think that would be called a PM2LW.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby ZMW » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:43 pm

sal wrote:
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We're open to suggestions.

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby spyderHS08 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:03 am

I’d be in for an orange and dlc or blue/dlc, toxic green/dlc or OMG a red g10/dlc 😱😱

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby kennethsime » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:38 am

Woodpuppy wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:23 pm
kennethsime wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:10 am
sal wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 pm
We're open to suggestions.

sal
Does this just refer to color suggestions?

I'd love an Endela with a choil. :-)
I think that would be called a PM2LW.
I'd be down for that as well.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Wartstein » Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:13 am

spyderHS08 wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:03 am
I’d be in for an orange and dlc or blue/dlc, toxic green/dlc or OMG a red g10/dlc 😱😱

No additional color options for the Endela in the 2020 product guide (while the ffg VG10 Endura has like seven plus zome) :(
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby SleeplessInSoCal » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:13 am

sal wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 pm
We're open to suggestions.

sal
I guess just drop a Cruwear model and blow up the internet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I’ll take two, please.

Also a brown frn Cruwear Delica.

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby rybu0305 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:48 am

HAP-40 wood scales please. All the other classics are already available this way.
More CBBL please!
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby p_atrick » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:19 am

rybu0305 wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:48 am
HAP-40 wood scales please. All the other classics are already available this way.
I think that's a Knife Center exclusive. As long as you convince them of the need for this, I'm sure Spyderco will make a run of this Endela.

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby behinDedge » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:32 am

Is there any chance to see cruwear dark gray frn version this year?
I missed delica in that config and endela would be an instant buy for me.

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby dan31 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:32 pm

behinDedge wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:32 am
Is there any chance to see cruwear dark gray frn version this year?
I missed delica in that config and endela would be an instant buy for me.
If they do any Seki FRN models in Cruwear they will sell out in minutes. Very popular. I’m guessing quantities of Cruwear stock would limit the models that could be produced.

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Woodpuppy » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:26 pm

Yeah an endela cruwear would be sweeeet.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Doc Dan » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:45 pm

I’m still waiting for the K390.

I’d love to see some new colors, like hunter orange and OD green and flat dark earth.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Wartstein » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:39 pm

Doc Dan wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:45 pm
I’m still waiting for the K390.

I’d love to see some new colors, like hunter orange and OD green and flat dark earth.
- Yes on the K 390!

- And yes on the new colors!
I was a bit disappointed that there are none for the Endela in the 2020 product guide... while alone the ffg VG 10 Endura for example comes in seven colors (zome version not even included!), the Endela is still available in just black... I hope that´s not a sign that it does not sell well enough to justify more colors.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Sonorum » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am

Now I've had the Endela for a week and it's time for some first impressions!
I choose this knife because i wanted to try a fully spyderedged knife and I didn't want the large Endura, the Delica doesn't feel good in hand, and i didn't want to spend the money on a Shaman or Caribbean.
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Interresting grind pattern on the serrations. The serrations are similar to my Byrd Hawkbill in that they are fairly shallow which i feel snags less. It makes a fully SE knife actually function well for general EDC and not only for specialized tasks. As well as having tremendous performace in the classic SE applications.
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The knife came very sharp from factory. It easily sliced paper however i cut into it, push or pull-cutting very well. This along with my new Dragonfly Wharncliffe highlights the advantages of VG10, it regains a suberb level of sharpness very easily! After dulling it to the point of not cutting smoothly it only took a few passes on a strop to become sharp again. It wont last you a day if cutting is all you do but for a lot of other people, VG10 is great!

Now to something that isn't great: I understand what some people complain about in the Endura 4 handles... When i grip the knife my middle finger winds up on the first point of the handle. When my thumb rests naturally on the thumbramp, this is where my hand falls. I doesn't deter me from using the knife and i would definitely buy it again, but I see how what people complain about can happen.

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This would sort out those remarks, but then you'd get sort of a Stretch 2.. Maybe not a bad thing? It would be a more neutral handle.

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Fit and finish was as nice as Seki knives are in general!

I hope your happy about the review Wartstein ;)
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Wartstein » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:22 am

Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am
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I hope your happy about the review Wartstein ;)

Well, I am, thanks for taking the time!! :)

Especially I am glad when people (like you) can confirm my impression and experience, that the way the serrations are ground on the Endela SE is particullary well suited for general EDC tasks. As far as I am concerned, even better than PE in most cases (concerning pure cutting performance, out of the knives I own I´d rarely carry anything else but the Endela SE anymore. Only thing it lacks a bit for me is length in the actual cutting edge).

Now to your issue with the handle: I know you´re not the only one who feels like this and finds that the middle finger comes to rest at the "point" between the finger grooves and that this would be a bit uncomfortable.
Still, I personally never had that issue. For me (L to XL hands) honestly the Endela handle is one of the most ergonomic and comfortable I am aware of. Even if I deliberately put my middle finger exactly on that "point" between the finger grooves it does not bother me at all,even more so since Sal has "mellowed out" that point when designing the Endela compared to the Endura handle.

Though I have to say: When using the knife (or any Spyderco) I almost never put my thumb on the actual thumb ramp (like you do on your pic above), but rather on the side of the blade/on the opening hole. This also alters the way my middle finger rests on the handle and might make a difference concerning that "point" between the finger grooves. Maybe you´d like to try my way of a holding the knife (see pic below), just to see if this changes ergos and comfort for you?

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Jazz » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:34 am

Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am
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I really like your photosop pic, That looks really comfortable, yet still has the swell for good retention.
- best wishes, Jazz.

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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Sonorum » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:46 am

Jazz wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:34 am
Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am
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I really like your photosop pic, That looks really comfortable, yet still has the swell for good retention.
If I ever order custom scales I would ask them to modify it this way.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Sonorum » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:49 am

Wartstein wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:22 am
Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am
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Well I use that grip sometimes, but I also use a lot of other grips. I will probably always choose grip after usage and not after how it is comfortable to grip. My favourite knife is still the GB2 which allows you to grip it any way you want.
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Wartstein » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:58 am

Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:49 am
Wartstein wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:22 am
Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am
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Well I use that grip sometimes, but I also use a lot of other grips. I will probably always choose grip after usage and not after how it is comfortable to grip. My favourite knife is still the GB2 which allows you to grip it any way you want.
Well said, and I agree!

The Endura / Endela ergo thing is really interesting to me :

Sal who - going by his own statements - wears XL gloves changed the E3 handle into the E4 handle to make it even more comfortable. And while for many this is clearly the case (me (L to XL hands)included, I love the E4 ergos!) there is also the other camp of "hands" to whom the handle does not fit perfectly due to the shape of the finger grooves.. and funny thing is: It seems that in THIS "camp" mainly ARE exactly people with bigger hands... (like Sal, the designer (!) himself obviously has).
Goes to show how different personal preferences are, even amongst presumably rather similar handsizes!
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Re: Endela-thread

Postby Wartstein » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:08 am

Jazz wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:34 am
Sonorum wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am
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I really like your photosop pic, That looks really comfortable, yet still has the swell for good retention.

I figure that´s exactly what Sal wanted to achieve when redesiging the Endura handle into the Endela handle, but for some he maybe did not go far enough?! (Though tbh, I personally am glad he did NOT "go to far" but still make the Endela handle a true "Endura family shaped handle")

See also HERE: viewtopic.php?t=83743#p1326225

See the "progression" from Endura / Endela / Sonorums proposal concerning "point" between the finger grooves below (1 Endura 2 Endela 3 fictive Endela proposal by Sonorum) - don´t you think Sal did mellow out that point enough already from Endura to Endela?

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