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HRC Database

Postby ZrowsN1s » Tue May 14, 2019 8:26 pm

We already have the great Behind the Edge Database (which can be found here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73097)

I propose we start a HRC database and list all of the known Hardness testing results we can. So if you have any HRC results for any of the Spyderco models please share them here and I'll try to keep a List on this page :spyder:
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Keep in mind these are approximate numbers not exact numbers. Corrections and additions are always welcome :D

"Edit*
I feel like I should expand on this point a little and remind anyone reading this list of a few things.

1st- these numbers are usually from a single source, who ran a single test, on a single knife.... needless to say, the results are NOT scientific. And as such they are not necessarily accurate. This is why corrections and additional information is always welcome. The more data points, the more accurate the information. PLEASE take these numbers with a grain of salt.

2nd- There is way more to a good knife than an HRC number.
You can have two knives with the same steel and same HRC number, and different heat treat protocols, and those knives will perform differently from eachother.
It bears repeating, the HRC number is ONE factor out of MANY, you can not judge a knife on it's HRC alone. A high or a low HRC does not tell the whole story, it's just a piece of the puzzle.

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MAXAMET Manix 2 LW - (66.2 - 69) HRC
MAXAMET Paramilitary 2 - 68 HRC
MAXAMET Mule - (67 - 68) HRC
REX45 Military - (66.3 - 67) HRC
REX45 Paramilitary 2 - (65 - 66.7) HRC
ZDP-189 Mule - 66.4 HRC
K390 Police 4 G-10 - (64 -65.5) HRC
4V Manix 2 (Marbled CF) - 65 HRC
4V Para 3 (St. Nicks Exclusive) - (64.8 -65) HRC
ZDP-189 Endura 4 - (63 -65) HRC
REX45 Para 3 - 64.7 HRC
M4 Paramilitary 2 - 64.3 HRC
M4 Manix 2 - 64.2 HRC
M4 Shaman - (63.9 - 64) HRC
ZDP-189 Delica 4 (Saber) - (63.5 - 64) HRC
S110V Military - (63-64) HRC
K390 Mule - (62-64) HRC
Cruwear Manix 2 - (63.2 - 63.7) HRC
M4 Gayle-Bradley 2 - 63.2 HRC
ZDP-189 Dragonfly 2 - 63.1 HRC
52100 Mule - 63.1 HRC
10V K2 - 63 HRC
M4 Para 3 - 63 HRC
B75P Mule - (62-63) HRC
Cruwear Military - 62.9 HRC
52100 Paramilitary 2 - 62.8 HRC
Cruwear Mule (re-release) - (62.1 -62.8) HRC
Cruwear Paramilitary 2 - (62 - 62.8) HRC
Super Blue Mule - 62.5 HRC
PMA11 Mule - 62.5 HRC
M4 Mule - (60.8 - 62.5 HRC)
M4 Gayle-Bradley 1 - 62.5 HRC
K390 Urban - 62.5 HRC
M390 Paramilitary 2 - 62 HRC
S110V Manix 2 - 62 HRC
XHP Chaparral FRN - 62 HRC
Cruwear Paramilitary 2 - 62 HRC
S110V Paramilitary 2 - (60.9 - 62) HRC
PSF27 Mule - 61.9 HRC
Cruwear Para 3 - 61.7 HRC
XHP Para 3 - 61.5 HRC
Cruwear Military - 61.1 HRC
M390 Military - 61 HRC
Super Blue Calypso Jr. - (60.8 - 61) HRC
S30V Amalgam - 60.7 HRC
20CV Manix 2 - 60.6 HRC
M390 Mule - (59.2 - 60.5) HRC
XHP Military - 60.5 HRC
S30V Para 3 - 60.3 HRC
XHP Mule - (60 - 60.3) HRC
S30V Manix 2 - 60.1 HRC
BD1N Para 3 LW - 60 HRC
BD1N UKPK - 60 HRC
S110V Mule - 60 HRC
S90V Military - 60 HRC
S30V Manix 2 (Backlock) - 60 HRC
S30V Military - 60 HRC
S35VN Native 5 LW - 60 HRC
RWL34 Mule - 60 HRC
20CV Mule - 60 HRC
M390 Para 3 - (59.6 -60) HRC
S90V Manix 2 LW - 59.9 HRC
S35VN Para 3 - (59- 59.6) HRC
S90V Mule - 59.2 HRC
BD1 UKPK SLIPIT - 59.1 HRC
S30V Paramilitary 2 - (58.8 - 59) HRC
S30V Delica Wharncliffe - 59 HRC
S30V Delica - 59 HRC
BD1 Manix 2 LW - 59 HRC
ELMAX Mule - (58.3 -58.5) HRC
LC200N Spydiechef - (57.8 - 58.1) HRC
VG-10 Delica 4 - 58 HRC
VG-10 Endura - 57.9 HRC
N690 Roadie - 57.8
8Cr13MoV Tenacious - 57.6 HRC
8Cr13MoV Tenacious (Red) - 56.8 HRC
LC200N Mule - 56.8 HRC



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A HUGE THANK YOU!!!
To Kurt aka JcoolG19 for the majority of the numbers on this list. As well as Jim Ankerson, Luvthemknives, Bladebanter, Supersteelsteve, Banter247, Outpost76, Larrin, TripleBHandmade, Alchemy1, Frankie Blades, Kenny (InThePocket), Roman (KKnives Switzerland), JackFarmBoy, BlueCollarSurvival, and everyone else who is on the front lines of testing and EDUCATING the knife community. Without you guys lists like this would not be possible, and no one in the knife community would understand the list anyways even if they had it. I don't think I'm alone in feeling like the knowledge and awareness level of the community has been raised lately, and you guys have really helped drive this. You freely give to the community knowledge that has cost you time, money, blood, sweat, and tears. Your work does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.


(If you know anyone who deserves to be in this list, leave their names in the thread and I will add them. Thank you again to everyone who has contributed.) :spyder:
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Re: HRC Database

Postby Baron Mind » Tue May 14, 2019 10:08 pm

I would love to see this

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Re: HRC Database

Postby ferider » Wed May 15, 2019 7:08 am

Here are a bunch you can add (from https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ran ... pe.793481/)

  • MAXAMET - Spyderco MT-24 - 67-68 RC
  • CPM S110V - Manix 2 - 62 RC
  • CPM S110V - Mule - 60 RC
  • CPM 10V - Spyderco/Farid K2 - 63 RC
  • K390 - Mule - 62-64 RC
  • CPM Rex M4 - Spyderco Gayle Bradley 1 - 62.5 RC
  • CPM S90V - Military - 60 RC
  • ZDP -189 - Endura 4 - 65 RC
  • M390 - Military - 61 RC
  • CPM S30V - Military - 60 RC
  • CTS-XHP - Military - 60.5 RC
  • ELMAX - Mule - 58.5 RC
Further:
  • Sal's Military CMP CruWear tested at 61.1.
  • In Michael Christy's CPM Rex 45 video, someone commented that they rockwell tested their Para 2 rex 45 at 66.5 hrc, so you need a range.
This would be a great database. But you probably might want to add references where the data come from.

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Re: HRC Database

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Re: HRC Database

Postby ferider » Wed May 15, 2019 8:15 am

And a few more for Spydie Mules (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54441):
  • MT01 - 52100 - 63.1 RC
  • MT02 - CPM Rex M4 - 62.5 RC
  • MT03 - CPM-S90V - 59.2 RC
  • MT04 - ZDP189 - 66.4 RC
  • MT08 - Super Blue - 3 tests; 62.5 RC
  • MT11 - M390 - 60.5 RC
  • MT12 (Re-Release) - CPM CruWear - 62.1-62.8 RC
  • MT13 - ELMAX - 3 tests; 58.3 RC
  • MT15 - CTS-B75P - 62-63 RC
  • MT16 - CTS-XHP - 60.3 RC
  • MT17 - K390 - 62-64 RC
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Re: HRC Database

Postby ferider » Wed May 15, 2019 8:20 am


From Accutron's DB to make merging easier:

  • Amalgam - CPM S30V - 60.7 RC
  • Chaparral FRN - CTS-XHP - 62 RC
  • Endura - VG10 - 57.9 RC
  • Endura - ZDP189 - 63 RC
  • Manix 2 Back L - S30V - 60 RC
  • Manix 2 - CPM S90V - 59.9 RC
  • Manix 2 - Maxamet - 66.2 RC
  • Military - CPM Rex45 - 67 RC
  • Native Light Wt - CPM S35VN - 60 RC
  • Para 2 - CPM S110V - 60.9 RC
  • Para 3 - CPM CruWear - 61.7 RC
  • Para 3 - CPM Rex45 - 65.7 RC
  • Para 3 - CPM S35VN - 59.6 RC
  • Para 3 - M390 - 59.6 RC
  • PM2 - 52100 - 62.8 RC
  • Police - Bohler K390 - 65.5 RC
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Re: HRC Database

Postby Accutron » Wed May 15, 2019 8:36 am

Not my DB, something a bunch of other people are working on.

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Re: HRC Database

Postby The Meat man » Wed May 15, 2019 8:39 am

This is a great idea.
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Re: HRC Database

Postby pdptrow » Wed May 15, 2019 9:21 am

Hap40?? Is it not on the list b/c of being clad? also cpm-154/S90?

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Re: HRC Database

Postby Albatross » Wed May 15, 2019 11:13 am

Rex45 has been tested on several knives, and the numbers are between 64 and 66.5 hrc. I believe there was at least one Para 3 that was 64 hrc, while Ankerson's data shows the Military at 66.5.
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Re: HRC Database

Postby koenigsegg » Wed May 15, 2019 12:48 pm

This is awesome

I'm wanting to merge in cut tests with it...

Maybe I'll just fill in HRC data to the cut test list below

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... G4tug/edit
S30V, VG10, M4, XHP, BD1, Maxamet, 204P, H1, K390, A11, Cruwear, Rex45, LC200N, M390

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Re: HRC Database

Postby ZrowsN1s » Wed May 15, 2019 5:14 pm

Thanks for the all the Info guys! I'll update the list when I have a minute :D

I thought about adding the sources of the info, but decided it would make the list kind of hard to read. Id like to keep it easy to read and if I can ranked from hardest to softest. People can see (most) of the sources of the info here in the comments. Im sure I'll get some wrong, but people can always add corrections.

As for cut test info... those results are interesting but are a combo of geometry steel heat treat and hrc etc... I'll probably just stick to HRC.
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Re: HRC Database

Postby ZrowsN1s » Wed May 15, 2019 7:08 pm

Alright I've organized all the info I have for now from hardest to softest. Let me know if you have any more info to add!
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Re: HRC Database

Postby attila » Wed May 15, 2019 7:29 pm

Thanks Matt for your starting this thread.

Does anyone know the typical hardness of B70P and N690Co? I've not found these data points yet.
Own: VG-10 Delica, Old S30V Native, modified Breeden Rescue, VG-10 Delica, HAP40 Endura, ZDP-189 Dragonfly, S110V Manix 2 LW, Pakkawood Delica, Cruwear Para 3, SE H1 Dragonfly, M4 Manix 2, HAP40 Caly 3, smooth G10 S90V Native, K390 Urban, Pakkawood Dragonfly, smooth G10 Cruwear PM2, SE Pacific Salt, HAP40 Jazzlica, Blurple Native, P.I.T.S., DLC Manix 2, REX 45 PM2, REX 45 Para 3, XHP Manix 2 LW, Superblue Caly 3, DLT 20CV PM2, Rhino, SB Calypso Jr., B70P, PMA11, K03, G10 ZDP-189 Stretch 2, Kapara, REX 45 Military, 154CM Manix 2 LW, KW 204p PM2, Swick, Supergold Delica, back lock Lil'Native, AEB-L Urban, HAP40 Stretch, smooth G10 Cruwear Manix, Cruwear Military, DLT M390 PM2, Cruwear Delica, CPM 4V Lil'Native.

Waiting for: Cruwear/micarta Shaman, Swick 5, Waterway, and something purple
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Re: HRC Database

Postby ferider » Thu May 16, 2019 5:32 am

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:08 pm
Alright I've organized all the info I have for now from hardest to softest. Let me know if you have any more info to add!
Looks great, Matt, Thanks !

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Re: HRC Database

Postby ZrowsN1s » Thu May 23, 2019 11:16 pm

Just saw a post by Frankie_Blades over on Instagram. He did some HRC testing on some Spydies. If you're on IG and haven't seen his page, you should check him out, he tests more than just spyderco's and is the owner of tactical_pterodactyl_knives .

Frankie_Blades numbers:
S30V Paramilitary 2 @ 59 HRC
S35VN Para 3 @ 59 HRC
XHP Para 3 @ 61.5 HRC
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Re: HRC Database

Postby DOUBLE D » Fri May 24, 2019 8:51 pm

Just out of curiosity, why would the s110v military be 63-64 HRC, but the s110v paramilitary is 60.9 HRC. I ask because I have multiple s110v paramilitaries, and assumed (hoped) they would be more than 60.9. Especially since they are already doing it in the military's... and even the manix was higher.

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Re: HRC Database

Postby ZrowsN1s » Fri May 24, 2019 9:52 pm

DOUBLE D wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 8:51 pm
Just out of curiosity, why would the s110v military be 63-64 HRC, but the s110v paramilitary is 60.9 HRC. I ask because I have multiple s110v paramilitaries, and assumed (hoped) they would be more than 60.9. Especially since they are already doing it in the military's... and even the manix was higher.
All the knives were heat treated in different batches. Probably months apart. Different runs different hardnesses. This could be intentional or unintentional as well. Perhaps people complained about the one run being too hard so they lowered it a little. No way to tell. Also 60.9 HRC represents probably a single data point from a single knife. You could rockwell test yours amd find it is higher. This guide is a ROUGH estimate and not an exact number. The more data points we get, the more accurate it will be.
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Re: HRC Database

Postby DOUBLE D » Sat May 25, 2019 8:14 am

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 9:52 pm
DOUBLE D wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 8:51 pm
Just out of curiosity, why would the s110v military be 63-64 HRC, but the s110v paramilitary is 60.9 HRC. I ask because I have multiple s110v paramilitaries, and assumed (hoped) they would be more than 60.9. Especially since they are already doing it in the military's... and even the manix was higher.
All the knives were heat treated in different batches. Probably months apart. Different runs different hardnesses. This could be intentional or unintentional as well. Perhaps people complained about the one run being too hard so they lowered it a little. No way to tell. Also 60.9 HRC represents probably a single data point from a single knife. You could rockwell test yours amd find it is higher. This guide is a ROUGH estimate and not an exact number. The more data points we get, the more accurate it will be.

Good points. Thanks for the reply

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Re: HRC Database

Postby ZrowsN1s » Sat May 25, 2019 6:17 pm

Some more numbers from Frankie_blades

CRUWEAR PM2 @ 62.5 - 62.8 HRC
ZDP-189 Delica (Saber) @ 63.5 - 64 HRC
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