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Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:08 pm

I’ve just ordered mine but reading around the forum I see theres a few in pockets already.

Would love to hear your thoughts on it. Particularly any comments on the action compared to the g10 version. Also, pics!

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby cycleguy » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:28 pm

Would also like to hear commentary re the BD1N.

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby curlyhairedboy » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:30 pm

I've got one on the way. :spyder:
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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Extra330SC » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:32 pm

Had the Para 3 LW PE in my pocket the last two days!
Our sample OOTB had the pivot cranked tight (couldn’t snap flick it closed using compression lock) and the blade 10-15% off center. The edge was hair whittling sharp with somewhat straight bevels ....not the large deep uneven grind towards the tip on one side... like some recent dealer exclusives! I disassembled the knife (took 5 minutes ) using three different Torx :T6 for stop pin screws, T8 for body screws, and T10 for the pivot. Not heavily caked with thread lock...very easy to get everything stripped down COMPLETELY!

I used 400 grit to sand the inside edges of the FRN scales as they were a little sharp, Very easy mod that took 2 minutes . Knife went back together very easily and has 75% of the action of the normal G10 Para 3. The knife slow rolls , Thumb /spidie flicks, and spydie drops with no issues. Getting the blade so there's no play makes closing the knife with the the "normal" compression lock wrist snap in more challenging. You can see that condition in most of the YouTube videos...especially GP knives.

That's the nature of the build with this knife and doesn't hurt its performance whatsoever as far as I can tell. The P3LW goes into my pocket with no problems and the clip seems to have decent retention. If your expectations are for a cheaper FRN knife with similar cutting ability, Ergos, and a compression lock...you won't be disappointed. If you think your getting the "solid" feel and stellar action of the G10 Para 3 for 91 dollars. ...you might be in for a let down. Love it so far.... :)

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm

Extra330SC wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:32 pm
Had the Para 3 LW PE in my pocket the last two days!
Our sample OOTB had the pivot cranked tight (couldn’t snap flick it closed using compression lock) and the blade 10-15% off center. The edge was hair whittling sharp with somewhat straight bevels ....not the large deep uneven grind towards the tip on one side... like some recent dealer exclusives! I disassembled the knife (took 5 minutes ) using three different Torx :T6 for stop pin screws, T8 for body screws, and T10 for the pivot. Not heavily caked with thread lock...very easy to get everything stripped down COMPLETELY!

I used 400 grit to sand the inside edges of the FRN scales as they were a little sharp, Very easy mod that took 2 minutes . Knife went back together very easily and has 75% of the action of the normal G10 Para 3. The knife slow rolls , Thumb /spidie flicks, and spydie drops with no issues. Getting the blade so there's no play makes closing the knife with the the "normal" compression lock wrist snap in more challenging. You can see that condition in most of the YouTube videos...especially GP knives.

That's the nature of the build with this knife and doesn't hurt its performance whatsoever as far as I can tell. The P3LW goes into my pocket with no problems and the clip seems to have decent retention. If your expectations are for a cheaper FRN knife with similar cutting ability, Ergos, and a compression lock...you won't be disappointed. If you think your getting the "solid" feel and stellar action of the G10 Para 3 for 91 dollars. ...you might be in for a let down. Love it so far.... :)

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Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby PineChaos » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:19 pm

Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering
The single phosphor bronze washer is thicker than the built-in frn washer, it pushes the blade slightly off center. I'm sure they could have made the FRN thicker to make the centering "appear" perfect but probably wanted to keep the design as thin as possible. The important part is that the flats of the blade are square with the handles, which they are.

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby TkoK83Spy » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:52 pm

Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

So let me get this straight...as long as your knife is fidget friendly, your totally fine with it having potentially dangerous, side to side play?? As long as you can flick it around, it's no big deal...safety doesn't matter?? :confused:

Sometimes I need to bite my tongue, but come on dude... that's ridiculous. Maybe play around with something less dangerous to curb your ADD if you're not even using it for what it was made for...cutting things.
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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby BornIn1500 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:09 pm

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:52 pm

So let me get this straight...as long as your knife is fidget friendly, your totally fine with it having potentially dangerous, side to side play?? As long as you can flick it around, it's no big deal...safety doesn't matter?? :confused:

I think we should keep it in perspective that a lot of the people who are buying knives for $100+ aren't using them very hard. A few boxes/packages here and there, maybe some food, etc...

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Extra330SC » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:58 pm

Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Extra330SC wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:32 pm
Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering

I forgot to mention that the knife had a decent amount of lock stick if the blade was flicked out hard ! Slow rolling the knife into the opening position showed no such issue. Upon reassembly after sanding the scales. ..the lock is fine no matter how hard you open the blade. Also the top of the metal plate and compression lock tab are proud of the top of scale..while the G10 version is flush. (See picture) Just an observation as your finger should be in front of both when cutting...but could be an issue for some.

I really think anyone who likes the "feeling " of FRN or FRCP and enjoys using a compression lock will like this knife.


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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:28 pm

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:52 pm
Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

So let me get this straight...as long as your knife is fidget friendly, your totally fine with it having potentially dangerous, side to side play?? As long as you can flick it around, it's no big deal...safety doesn't matter?? :confused:

Sometimes I need to bite my tongue, but come on dude... that's ridiculous. Maybe play around with something less dangerous to curb your ADD if you're not even using it for what it was made for...cutting things.
Don’t bite your tongue mate, have at it :)

I’ve got dozens of knives to fit all situations, including hard use. I won’t be batoning bricks with this one. Slight horizontal blade play dangerous? That’s a new one to me.

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:35 pm

Extra330SC wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:58 pm
Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Extra330SC wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:32 pm
Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering

I forgot to mention that the knife had a decent amount of lock stick if the blade was flicked out hard ! Slow rolling the knife into the opening position showed no such issue. Upon reassembly after sanding the scales. ..the lock is fine no matter how hard you open the blade. Also the top of the metal plate and compression lock tab are proud of the top of scale..while the G10 version is flush. (See picture) Just an observation as your finger should be in front of both when cutting...but could be an issue for some.

I really think anyone who likes the "feeling " of FRN or FRCP and enjoys using a compression lock will like this knife.


James
I get some occasional stick with compression and axis locks if I throw the blade out a bit hard, I’ve just come to accept it as being the nature of those locks. I’ll hold my thoughts on the lock tab until I get it in hand, it mightn’t be an issue.

Again great info, thanks

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:39 pm

PineChaos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:19 pm
Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering
The single phosphor bronze washer is thicker than the built-in frn washer, it pushes the blade slightly off center. I'm sure they could have made the FRN thicker to make the centering "appear" perfect but probably wanted to keep the design as thin as possible. The important part is that the flats of the blade are square with the handles, which they are.
As long as the blade’s not rubbing on the scales, all good. Like potentially deadly horizontal blade play, off center blades by design is a new one.

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby MichaelScott » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:43 pm

Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:39 pm
PineChaos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:19 pm
Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering
The single phosphor bronze washer is thicker than the built-in frn washer, it pushes the blade slightly off center. I'm sure they could have made the FRN thicker to make the centering "appear" perfect but probably wanted to keep the design as thin as possible. The important part is that the flats of the blade are square with the handles, which they are.
As long as the blade’s not rubbing on the scales, all good. Like potentially deadly horizontal blade play, off center blades by design is a new one.
Can you explain more about “potentially deadly horizontal blade play”? I don’t understand.
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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:48 pm

MichaelScott wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:43 pm
Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:39 pm
PineChaos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:19 pm
Tims wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Now that’s a reply! thanks for taking the time mate.

I’m a fan of the compression lock free drop open/close so a little bummed on your evaluation of that but not a big deal. I don’t mind a bit of side to side slop so I can live with that to get ‘er dropp’n.

Will be interesting to hear other peoples experience with blade centering
The single phosphor bronze washer is thicker than the built-in frn washer, it pushes the blade slightly off center. I'm sure they could have made the FRN thicker to make the centering "appear" perfect but probably wanted to keep the design as thin as possible. The important part is that the flats of the blade are square with the handles, which they are.
As long as the blade’s not rubbing on the scales, all good. Like potentially deadly horizontal blade play, off center blades by design is a new one.
Can you explain more about “potentially deadly horizontal blade play”? I don’t understand.
Tongue in cheek mate. See TkoK83Spy’s reply above about the dangers of blade play

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby SteveMidwest » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:27 pm

Mine does not arrive until Monday. So of course, I'm here to get my fix in the meantime! :D

I've been following this knife's journey, up until this point. For quite some time. I now have a question, that I'd love to ask Sal.

Why go with FRN on this model, and not FRCP? Like is being used, on another in-house built lightweight. The Manix 2 LW.
We know the material is in the building. We know FRCP has many advantages. I know, I love it on my Manix 2 knives. I just have to scratch my head, wondering what reason could be given.

After thinking on it long and hard. The only thing I can come up with, that could make sense. Is that if while designing this knife, and knowing ahead of time. That the washer on the non-metal side of the knife blade. Was going to be built into the scale. That FRN somehow has better wear and or 'slickness' characteristics, than FRCP?

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Spydergirl88 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:54 pm

Absolutely awesome. Perfect out of the box. Image

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:14 pm

SteveMidwest wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:27 pm
Mine does not arrive until Monday. So of course, I'm here to get my fix in the meantime! :D

I've been following this knife's journey, up until this point. For quite some time. I now have a question, that I'd love to ask Sal.

Why go with FRN on this model, and not FRCP? Like is being used, on another in-house built lightweight. The Manix 2 LW.
We know the material is in the building. We know FRCP has many advantages. I know, I love it on my Manix 2 knives. I just have to scratch my head, wondering what reason could be given.

After thinking on it long and hard. The only thing I can come up with, that could make sense. Is that if while designing this knife, and knowing ahead of time. That the washer on the non-metal side of the knife blade. Was going to be built into the scale. That FRN somehow has better wear and or 'slickness' characteristics, than FRCP?
No idea Steve but the Native LW’s have the moulded boss instead of washers and I think they’re frcp. I personally can’t tell much difference between frn and frcp and think a lot of the difference in texture has more to do with the mould than the material.

In any case, I’m happy with frn

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:16 pm

Spydergirl88 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:54 pm
Absolutely awesome. Perfect out of the box. Image
Lucky bugger, mines still somewhere in the sky between the US and Australia.

Hows the action and centering?

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Spydergirl88 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:17 pm

Tims wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:16 pm
Spydergirl88 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:54 pm
Absolutely awesome. Perfect out of the box. Image
Lucky bugger, mines still somewhere in the sky between the US and Australia.

Hows the action and centering?
The best of any para anything I've owned

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Re: Para 3 lightweight

Postby Tims » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:16 pm

Spydergirl88 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:17 pm
Tims wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:16 pm
Spydergirl88 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:54 pm
Absolutely awesome. Perfect out of the box. Image
Lucky bugger, mines still somewhere in the sky between the US and Australia.

Hows the action and centering?
The best of any para anything I've owned
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