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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:49 pm

I myself don´t know LC200N and am not particullarly interested, since I don´t need the total rustproofness it offers.

That being said: It seems to be such a popular steel, that I think a straight spine Stretch in LC200N would give this great design a "second chance". The VG10 Sprint was not the biggest seller as far as I know, might be because many people are "bored" by VG10 (not me!)?

The straight spine Stretch is a great PM2 alternative for those who might (sometimes or always) prefer backlock, FRN, thinner blade, lighter weight.
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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby Sumdumguy » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:52 am

BornIn1500 wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:26 pm
Sumdumguy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:10 pm

Why would new molds and lock designs be needed? They already exist.
The original post said "Fish-Scale Pattern". That would need a new mold.
Ah, gotcha. Missed that part.

That would be neat. But, yea, I can see that the cost of changing the scales wouldn't be on the table.

Heck, I just now tried it and I have been through quite a good deal of models.

It's a "LW", that has full liners AND a handle that pleases me, ergonomically.

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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby JRinFL » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:53 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:10 pm
JRinFL wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:27 am
Sal has mentioned in the past that the Stretch is not a top seller, so it seems unlikely that Spyderco would make a major investment in new molds and lock design.
Why would new molds and lock designs be needed? They already exist.

Unless, I'm dreaming... Is this the matrix? :p :D
Someone else also mentioned improving the backlock to the same design as the Golden made models have now.
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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby Sumdumguy » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:13 am

JRinFL wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:53 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:10 pm
JRinFL wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:27 am
Sal has mentioned in the past that the Stretch is not a top seller, so it seems unlikely that Spyderco would make a major investment in new molds and lock design.
Why would new molds and lock designs be needed? They already exist.

Unless, I'm dreaming... Is this the matrix? :p :D
Someone else also mentioned improving the backlock to the same design as the Golden made models have now.
Yea, I went back and read it. Haha.

I'll be fine with just a plain old Strech. Plus, I don't care for the FRCP they use on the Golden models.

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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby kennethsime » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:37 am

JRinFL wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:53 am
Someone else also mentioned improving the backlock to the same design as the Golden made models have now.
OK, I'll bite: what's the difference between a Golden-made backlock and a Seki-made backlock?
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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby Wartstein » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:52 am

kennethsime wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:37 am
JRinFL wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:53 am
Someone else also mentioned improving the backlock to the same design as the Golden made models have now.
OK, I'll bite: what's the difference between a Golden-made backlock and a Seki-made backlock?
I don´t know what´s the difference technically tbh (and don´t think there is a real one)... but if you try lets say a Endura backlock and than a Native backlock, the former is great and the latter is "greater" ;) Seems like Golden backlocks are made even more precise and with even less tolerances. I feel they have less (=no) blade play and even a more "satisfying sound".

But, as said: I don´t know (and don´t think) there is a real technical difference (please correct me if I am wrong), while on the Chap backlock (Taichung) there certainly is (internal stop pin).

And to be clear: While I have had and tried many Seki backlocks, I have a lot less experience with Golden ones.
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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby JRinFL » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:52 pm

kennethsime wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:37 am
JRinFL wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:53 am
Someone else also mentioned improving the backlock to the same design as the Golden made models have now.
OK, I'll bite: what's the difference between a Golden-made backlock and a Seki-made backlock?
I remember a discussion about improved tolerances, improved geometry, and an improved spring. I tried to find the thread, but was unable to do so. Hopefully someone will post a link if they can find it.
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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby kennethsime » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:14 pm

Ok, thanks guys! The only Golden backlock I have is the Native and it's nice enough, but I don't really notice it as an improvement to the Stretch or Dragonfly backlocks I have. Maybe some are more discerning than myself. :-)
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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby Enactive » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:07 am

kennethsime wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:14 pm
Ok, thanks guys! The only Golden backlock I have is the Native and it's nice enough, but I don't really notice it as an improvement to the Stretch or Dragonfly backlocks I have. Maybe some are more discerning than myself. :-)
It is possible that you got better examples (RE locks) on your Seki built knives. I have heard from at least a few folks who have had experiences like yours with their Seki backlocks being as tight as the Golden models.

I have a small sample of 3 Seki knives, both of stretches have some slight vertical play in the lock. The V-Toku 2 model came with it and the Hap40 has developed some in use. My Dragonfly Hawkbill Salt is solid (but i haven't applied as much force to that in use (yet anyhow) as i would my Stretches. None of my 6 Golden backlocks have any play and all can be adjusted to drop freely without wiggle. This is merely an aesthetic/ haptic complaint about the Seki knives and certainly the locks are plenty strong and so far 100% reliable for my uses.

I'm not totally clear on all of this, but maybe because it is not public knowledge. It used to be that at least 3 makers in Seki built Spyderco knives. I have read that Moki built knives are stamped/ etched "Japan" instead of Seki. G. Sakai built knives are etched Seki City or some variation maybe with a hyphen? I don't know who the other one or more maker is. Presumably the Endura family are G Sakai built. Maybe the H1 Salts are also G Sakai built? I don't know about the fixed blades either?

I understand the vintage Moki built knives may have been more consistently "better built" (tighter lock tolerances, better fit and finish) than Sakai. (Not that we are ranking :eek: -- all good, just different ;) )

If anyone with more knowledge is able to share that would be cool. :cool: I also understand that some of this is sensitive info and may be guarded.

Regardless all that, we are just fortunate to have all these Spyderco options. :D

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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby kennethsime » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:34 pm

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Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:07 am
I'm not totally clear on all of this, but maybe because it is not public knowledge. It used to be that at least 3 makers in Seki built Spyderco knives. I have read that Moki built knives are stamped/ etched "Japan" instead of Seki. G. Sakai built knives are etched Seki City or some variation maybe with a hyphen? I don't know who the other one or more maker is. Presumably the Endura family are G Sakai built. Maybe the H1 Salts are also G Sakai built? I don't know about the fixed blades either?

I understand the vintage Moki built knives may have been more consistently "better built" (tighter lock tolerances, better fit and finish) than Sakai. (Not that we are ranking :eek: -- all good, just different ;) )
Is the Caly 3 a Moki-built knife?

The shop I used to work at had a ZDP-189/CF Caly 3 that was just impeccable. Perfectly mated lockbar & spine, smooth operation, rock-solid lockup. Beautiful knife, and still on my list to pick one up some day.
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Lost to the Ages: C90GRE Stretch 1 ZDP-189 British Racing Green | C28GRE2 Dragonfly 2 ZDP-189 British Racing Green
C12BK2W Matriarch 2 VG-10 Emerson Open | C81G2 Para Military 2 S30V

Currently Rotating: C81GPRGR2 Para Military 2 K390 Ranger Green | C223GPRGR Para 3 K390 Ranger Green
C90FPIV2 Stretch 2 Straight Spine, VG-10 Rit Dye'd Dark Apple Green | C223GP Para 3 S30V Green Canvas Micarta
C41BORE5 Native 5 Lightweight REX 45 Burnt Orange | C223BORE Para 3 Lightweight REX 45 Burnt Orange
C101GY2 Manix 2 Lightweight Maxamet Gray | C28GFG Dragonfly VG-10 Foliage Green
MT27 Mule Team 27 Micro-Melt PD#1 Ranger Green | C36GPGR Military 204p Dark Green

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Re: Spyderco's Upcoming New Folder? Stretch Lc200N with FRN Navy Blue Scales?

Postby Enactive » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:50 pm

kennethsime wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:34 pm
Enactive wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:07 am
I'm not totally clear on all of this, but maybe because it is not public knowledge. It used to be that at least 3 makers in Seki built Spyderco knives. I have read that Moki built knives are stamped/ etched "Japan" instead of Seki. G. Sakai built knives are etched Seki City or some variation maybe with a hyphen? I don't know who the other one or more maker is. Presumably the Endura family are G Sakai built. Maybe the H1 Salts are also G Sakai built? I don't know about the fixed blades either?

I understand the vintage Moki built knives may have been more consistently "better built" (tighter lock tolerances, better fit and finish) than Sakai. (Not that we are ranking :eek: -- all good, just different ;) )
Is the Caly 3 a Moki-built knife?

The shop I used to work at had a ZDP-189/CF Caly 3 that was just impeccable. Perfectly mated locker & spine, smooth operation, rock-solid lockup. Beautiful knife, and still on my list to pick one up some day.
Pretty sure the Caly line were Moki built. Sal dropped a bomb about a screw construction FRN Caly 3.5 -- he has a prototype built in Taichung :eek: , but the project is on hold AFAIK.

Any experts wanna weigh in?


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