Can I baton with lc200n?

[foofie]

Kind of a serious question...

Just ordered a waterway. Woo hoo. I have been using a sprig with s90v for all my fish processing. This includes occasionally cutting up large salmon into steaks. Kind of like batonning through the spine :eek: . I haven't had any edge issues, although I sometimes wince as I push the blade through the bone.

So -
1) is lc200n tough enough to cut through large fish bones, and
2) even if it is, should I just get a cleaver anyway? :D

[Mattysc42]

Yes and probably :p

[zhyla]

Fish bones aren’t very hard. Should be fine, but a more appropriate tool wouldn’t be a bad idea.

[Evil D]

I think a better question is, do you have a tool better suited such as a cleaver, and is it worth risking edge damage on the Waterway?

[MacLaren]

I think a better question is, do you have a tool better suited such as a cleaver, and is it worth risking edge damage on the Waterway?

I agree 100%
Not sure I would want to baton with that.

[RazorSharp86]

I use my SpydieChef plenty hard. I’ve cut really heavy dity zipties, fish bones, and other typical material like heavy duty cardboard, wood and rope.
I find Lc200N to be plenty tough.
What I do recommend, however, is to use the right edge when tackling heavier duty tasks.
I personally put a 13-14 degree convex edge,and it performs remarkable well!

So yeah. Go ahead and use it!

I have a Waterway coming soon (shipped today after a preorder months ago), and I’m going to beat the heck out of it!
Some may cribge by hearing me say it, but I honestly think that majority of knife guys are WAAAAY too easy on their knives.
If I were easy on my knives, I simply could have purchased cheaper knives of a slightly less inferior quality. I buy high quality knives because they’re made to cut well and hold up to hard use.
(Notice I’m not saying “abuse”)

[vivi]

I'll find out if the Waterway does alright batoning wood later this month

[wrdwrght]

Why would LC200N in a fixed blade be a batoning worry? Am I missing something?

[vivi]

Why would LC200N in a fixed blade be a batoning worry? Am I missing something?

A lot of folks consider any stainless steel to be too brittle to baton with. Hasn't been my experience but it's a common theme to see on Bushcraft boards.

[MacLaren]

Why would LC200N in a fixed blade be a batoning worry? Am I missing something?

For me, not so much LC200N, but the Waterway itself.
Seems like a finesse/filet knife to me. Surely not a knife I would wanna hammer away at batonning with.
Lol, I just dont see hammering it thru seasoned locust.
But that's just me.

[dodgie02]

Soms sturdy fish in your parts haha!

[vivi]

Why would LC200N in a fixed blade be a batoning worry? Am I missing something?

For me, not so much LC200N, but the Waterway itself.
Seems like a finesse/filet knife to me. Surely not a knife I would wanna hammer away at batonning with.
Lol, I just dont see hammering it thru seasoned locust.
But that's just me.

Seems a bit thick for a dedicated filet knife at over 3mm thick.

"...well suited to general utility and outdoor use."

If I snap mine splitting some wood with it you guys can call me a knob :D

[wrdwrght]

Why would LC200N in a fixed blade be a batoning worry? Am I missing something?

For me, not so much LC200N, but the Waterway itself.
Seems like a finesse/filet knife to me. Surely not a knife I would wanna hammer away at batonning with.
Lol, I just dont see hammering it thru seasoned locust.
But that's just me.

Seems a bit thick for a dedicated filet knife at over 3mm thick.

"...well suited to general utility and outdoor use."

If I snap mine splitting some wood with it you guys can call me a knob :D

While LC200N isn’t O1, it isn’t S110V, either. It’s on par with S30V for fracture-resistance, I believe.

3mm of the latter in a full-tanged fixed-blade would be OK for batoning most straight-grained hardwood, I would expect, so why not LC200N?

But, of course, heat-treat and geometry also matter and few of us know yet what the WaterWay offers in these characteristics.

[foofie]

Thanks for the replies. Edge angle is a great consideration.
I actually do have a cleaver - but I can get a little excited and my wife doesn't appreciate the splatter I generate when chopping up fish. I have been pressing down on the spine of the sprig with my palm to push it through the spine - controlled and clean. The sprig works fine for this - just need to find a use to justify my new waterway :p

And I agree - the waterway was not designed to be the perfect fillet knife. Still waiting on the Phil Wilson collab for that one :eek: Please...

[foofie]

And as far as the comments on batonning hardwood - you guys have way more skills than me. I can't baton effectively with a 4 inch blade. I need all the help (and length) I can get.

[vivi]

And as far as the comments on batonning hardwood - you guys have way more skills than me. I can't baton effectively with a 4 inch blade. I need all the help (and length) I can get.

On pieces of wood wider than the blade, I start the split with the knife, then jam a stick in the split and whack that with my baton. I've used my Aqua Salt to split 10" thick logs that way.

[Bloke]

split 10" thick logs that way.

[MacLaren]

And as far as the comments on batonning hardwood - you guys have way more skills than me. I can't baton effectively with a 4 inch blade. I need all the help (and length) I can get.

Me and you both. I just dont see puttin it thru the abuse of a 18-20" long piece of seasoned locust, hickory or oak. Which is what I am referring too. Heck, a lot of the wood I burn is 24" long too.
Little pieces of softwood might ok I reckon.
All application I reckon.
Yup, we all must be talkin about vastly different wood, and size of the wood. And, that's cool.

[Surfingringo]

The Waterway will work fine for steaking fish. I use mine all the time that way, sometimes even whacking the spine with my palm to force it though thicker bones and cartilage. The worst you might see is a bit of dulling due to flattening of the apex if the bone is hard enough and the force is great enough. That can be fixed in 20 seconds on the sharp maker though. Have no fear, this is what the knife was made for.

As far as batoning small hardwood? Not sure...depends on who's on the other end of the baton, haha. I'm sure it would be fine if done with common sense.

[MacLaren]

The Waterway will work fine for steaking fish. I use mine all the time that way, sometimes even whacking the spine with my palm to force it though thicker bones and cartilage. The worst you might see is a bit of dulling due to flattening of the apex if the bone is hard enough and the force is great enough. That can be fixed in 20 seconds on the sharp maker though. Have no fear, this is what the knife was made for.

As far as batoning small hardwood? Not sure...depends on who's on the other end of the baton, haha. I'm sure it would be fine if done with common sense.

Batonning small hardwood....dont be so sure Lance.
Seasoned locust, I've saw big powerful chainsaws break a tooth on that stuff. It's as hard as a rock.
No matter who's batonning otd would be a helluva a lot of abuse.
I just wouldnt use a blanket guarantee regarding hardwood.
Lol, the Waterway ain't got enough arse on her to make that kind a guarantee. :D