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Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 am

Phantasy knife-world:

Just imagine Spyderco could technically do any change you´d like to see in an existing knife-model and produce the result in a sprint run . So just for this thread: Let´s dream anything would be possible and not think about technical and economical reality. No limits, could be grind, stock, lock, blade shape, handle material, what ever comes to your minds, just NOT steel (as runs in different steels are done anyway).

But everything you do NOT specifically mention as to be changed stays exactly the same as in the existing model

To me immidiately quite a few ideas come to mind, I´d like to see for example:

- Backlock Shaman
- "Maximum edge length Delica" (so no Ricasso and extending the blade to the very end of the handle when the knife is closed)
- Centofante 3 in FFG instead of sabre / hollow grind
- Stretch 1 in 2mm bladestock
- "Stouter tip Military" (so design the tip like on the Endura or do less tapering in the blade)
- backlock Military
- Shaman with Micarta scales (not so much science fiction, as we´ll probably see that!! :) )
- FRN Kapara
- "No choil Native": That would be almost a very different knife honestly: I´d like the bladeshape of the Native 5, but no choil (so longer edge); reform the handle so that "guard" is at the very front of it and the handle would offer a full 4 finger grip. Overall dimensions, linerless FRN and so on would stay the same.

Any ideas or dreams? ;)
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Ric » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:56 am

Para 3 flipper with a strong detent
Para 3 Tanto
Para 3 Damascus
Dragonfly Compression Lock (similar to Lil Native but lighter and not built as a tank)

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:59 am

Ric wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:56 am
Para 3 flipper with a strong detent
Para 3 Tanto
Para 3 Damascus
Dragonfly Compression Lock (similar to Lil Native but lighter and not built as a tank)
Cool ideas!!
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:04 am

Ric wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:56 am

Dragonfly Compression Lock (similar to Lil Native but lighter and not built as a tank)
... and now they actually COULD do a compression lock in a kind of linerless FRN knife (like the DF) as the upcoming Para 3 LW shoes..
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Daveho » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:10 am

Honestly I think it’s better to focus on what is available and appricate it for what it is.
I love messing with ideas and am doing some knife making later in the year-putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak.

I was at a museum a while back, looking at some bows they had on display- as a bow maker myself I find it fascinating being able to intellectually connect with a fellow bowyer long dead and seperated by more than 100 years- inspecting the bow I noted the way he left a swell of timber around that knot, the way he has cut back through a few growth rings to get to that thick ring- all choices I would have made given a similar stave to work.
The maker has done the best he knew how when making that bow and it served its owner well for a long time and while we now know laminating the timbers, adding reflex and backing it with fibreglass would have made the bow store more energy and require less maintenance it was still all the bow the owner ever needed.

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby ZrowsN1s » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:36 am

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Postby fixall » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:54 am

I’d really like to see an FRN Wharncliffe Chaparral.

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Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:22 am

fixall wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:54 am
I’d really like to see an FRN Wharncliffe Chaparral.
Another very cool idea. That would suit that little slicing-beast well.
And obviously not hard to do, just the blade shape would have to be modified, everything else could stay as it is..
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby attila » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:16 am

Really want:
2.5" CBBL Micro Manix
3" CBBL Mini Manix (CBBL Native?)
Linerless G-10 Manix 2
Linerless G-10 Dragonfly

Interesting idea I just had:
Compression lock Caly

EDIT: at least the 3" CBBL and linerless Manix 2 should be regular production as well as having sprint varieties.
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Postby JD Spydo » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:23 am

My first pick would be a revamped C-60 Ayoob model with a carbon fiber handle along with a supersteel blade. I would love to see one in either M390 or M-4.

For a fixed blade I would like to see the original TEMPERANCE 1 model in LC200N and have it available in SE & PE just like the original TEMP 1 was offered. For a utility knife I would like to see the CATCHERMAN in full Spyderedge again and probably LC200N would be my first choice on that one.

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Postby standy99 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:12 am

Just one for me.

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Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:32 am

Wartstein wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 am
Phantasy knife-world:

Just imagine Spyderco could technically do any change you´d like to see in an existing knife-model and produce the result in a sprint run . So just for this thread: Let´s dream anything would be possible and not think about technical and economical reality. No limits, could be grind, stock, lock, blade shape, handle material, what ever comes to your minds, just NOT steel (as runs in different steels are done anyway).

But everything you do NOT specifically mention as to be changed stays exactly the same as in the existing model

To me immidiately quite a few ideas come to mind, I´d like to see for example:

- Backlock Shaman
- "Maximum edge length Delica" (so no Ricasso and extending the blade to the very end of the handle when the knife is closed)
- Centofante 3 in FFG instead of sabre / hollow grind
- Stretch 1 in 2mm bladestock
- "Stouter tip Military" (so design the tip like on the Endura or do less tapering in the blade)
- backlock Military
- Shaman with Micarta scales (not so much science fiction, as we´ll probably see that!! :) )
- FRN Kapara
- "No choil Native": That would be almost a very different knife honestly: I´d like the bladeshape of the Native 5, but no choil (so longer edge); reform the handle so that "guard" is at the very front of it and the handle would offer a full 4 finger grip. Overall dimensions, linerless FRN and so on would stay the same.

Any ideas or dreams? ;)
Yeah.. I tried but without concerning steel just can't fit it into a sprint run.

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Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:47 am

Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:32 am
Wartstein wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 am
Phantasy knife-world:

Just imagine Spyderco could technically do any change you´d like to see in an existing knife-model and produce the result in a sprint run . So just for this thread: Let´s dream anything would be possible and not think about technical and economical reality. No limits, could be grind, stock, lock, blade shape, handle material, what ever comes to your minds, just NOT steel (as runs in different steels are done anyway).

But everything you do NOT specifically mention as to be changed stays exactly the same as in the existing model

To me immidiately quite a few ideas come to mind, I´d like to see for example:

- Backlock Shaman
- "Maximum edge length Delica" (so no Ricasso and extending the blade to the very end of the handle when the knife is closed)
- Centofante 3 in FFG instead of sabre / hollow grind
- Stretch 1 in 2mm bladestock
- "Stouter tip Military" (so design the tip like on the Endura or do less tapering in the blade)
- backlock Military
- Shaman with Micarta scales (not so much science fiction, as we´ll probably see that!! :) )
- FRN Kapara
- "No choil Native": That would be almost a very different knife honestly: I´d like the bladeshape of the Native 5, but no choil (so longer edge); reform the handle so that "guard" is at the very front of it and the handle would offer a full 4 finger grip. Overall dimensions, linerless FRN and so on would stay the same.

Any ideas or dreams? ;)
Yeah.. I tried but without concerning steel just can't fit it into a sprint run.
Maybe I should have put it that way: sure you can change steel also, but if you do, change at least one more detail other than steel. For the focus here is not about sprints in different steels (there are already many threads covering that)
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Postby Evil D » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:03 am

Spydiechef with a 4 inch blade and without all the positive blade angle

Dragonfly with about a half inch added to the blade and another half inch to the butt of the handle to compensate

Kiwi 4 with rounded/contoured/polished scales

Vesuvius with updated compression lock and sized up to about 3.75 inches

I could do this all day honestly.
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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:11 am

Evil D wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:03 am
Spydiechef with a 4 inch blade and without all the positive blade angle

Dragonfly with about a half inch added to the blade and another half inch to the butt of the handle to compensate

Kiwi 4 with rounded/contoured/polished scales

Vesuvius with updated compression lock and sized up to about 3.75 inches

I could do this all day honestly.
That larger dragonfly is probably my favorite input in this thread so far - still in LINERLESS FRN for me!

/ don't have to do this all day ;), but if you'd like to share some more ideas I'd be really intetested.
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Postby Pelagic » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:18 am

I like your "maximum edge length" idea for the Delica. I wish the incoming Endura wharncliffe was like this.
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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Mom3ntuM » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:20 am

-Damaskus corkscrew clipitool with macacuba handle and no pocket clip.
-Stretch sized ukpk drop point.
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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Wartstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:25 am

Pelagic wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:18 am
I like your "maximum edge length" idea for the Delica. I wish the incoming Endura wharncliffe was like this.
Yeah, a "maximum edge length" Delica would feature almost the same cutting edge as the regular existing ENDURA in a much smaller package, with thinner bladestock and - for some- better ergos...

A "maximum edge length Endura Wharnie" would be nice too, right!
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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:03 am

1. Spydiechef change nothing other than blade length kick it up to 4 inches.

2. Spyderco Stretch return to original blade length, I like the blade shape and length on my Stretch2 in G10 with ZDP-189 steel it is different than the VG-10 version it is more of a compromise in blade length and shape between models.

2a. Keep all aspects of the Stretch 2 handles and 50 /50 choil.

2 b. Either DLC or stone-wash the clips.

2c. Offer more models in G-10 with more steel options CTS-XHP and Cruware, LC200N then this knife will leap off the shelves.

3. A slightly smaller Hundred pacer for polite less OMG what is that remarks EDC carry ( He, He, He, we already were told by Sal he did not say it... Pulled a Shultz on us :) (I am keeping an eye out)

The Hundred Pacer is a unique design it is almost all belly with just a very short length of straightness to the blade next to the heel..

This translates into a knife that Cuts, Chops and Slices beyond expectation.

One really has to use it to appreciate it.

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Re: Ideas for "sprint runs", NOT concerning steel (let´s dream...)

Postby VashHash » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:38 am

Kris with stag handles.
Kris with ivory (micarta) handles
Kris with jigged bone handles. Old school case peach seed jig
Kris in any variation as long as it's back in a sprint.
I think you see where I'm going with this

Spyderco brought back the Spyderhawk last year so I'm content with that.

Maybe a flash batch of the ever elusive not yet produced XL Persian. I love the look of the Persian it's just a little too small for my hand to be comfortable.

Original calypso with micarta handles.

Hossom knives with thinner convex edge and I know you mentioned no steel but 3V
Rock with micarta scales (3V)


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