There are very few brands I trust that also manufacture in China, and this is exactly why. With how common counterfeiting is I just don't trust that I'm getting what I paid for.Vivi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:10 pmhttps://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-L ... ack--75307
USA made knife with M390 blade steel for under $80.
Sal states the dollar to yuan rate is 6 to 1.
How many M390 knives coming out of China sell for $13?
How about we quadruple that price to account for Ti VS Aluminum?
Ok, so how many Ti/M390 knives sell for $52, regardless of where they are made?
Do they have good warranties?
Do they actually use M390? Did you do any testing do determine it's not actually 9Cr "rebranded" as the steel of the day? How many people buying these Ti flippers use them enough to know?
Folks are being ripped off, plain as day. You guys are paying 2-4x what a product could be sold for, buying products that might not be what they claim to be, then complaining that knives made in the USA using legit steels don't have comparable prices?
The Kershaw link is a great beater knife for sure. The aluminum handles are okay, but the M390 sharpens up great.Vivi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:10 pmhttps://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-L ... ack--75307
USA made knife with M390 blade steel for under $80.
Sal states the dollar to yuan rate is 6 to 1.
How many M390 knives coming out of China sell for $13?
How about we quadruple that price to account for Ti VS Aluminum?
Ok, so how many Ti/M390 knives sell for $52, regardless of where they are made?
Do they have good warranties?
Do they actually use M390? Did you do any testing do determine it's not actually 9Cr "rebranded" as the steel of the day? How many people buying these Ti flippers use them enough to know?
Folks are being ripped off, plain as day. You guys are paying 2-4x what a product could be sold for, buying products that might not be what they claim to be, then complaining that knives made in the USA using legit steels don't have comparable prices?
Good point. Maybe it has something to do with working with it? It does feel good in the hand though.Vivi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:26 pmI'll never understand the prestige Titanium enjoys.
It isn't very expensive. Check prices yourself - https://store.tmstitanium.com
That's the first retailer I found for Ti stock, I'm sure you could do better if you shopped around.
Titanium was discovered waaaay back in the 1700's, it isn't the space age high tec stuff it is often made out to be. Humans have been working it for well over a century. USSR were using it for military applications right around the end of WW2.
It sure gets a lot of hype in the knife world though.
Recently titanium it available. Back in the Cold War Years, almost all of the titanium was bought up for military purposes. The ussr even went so far as to develop scandium-aluminum allows to make up the shortage.500Nitro wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:46 pm
Because it’s used in the aircraft / space industry.
SR-71 and probably every jet engine.
My father is a metallurgist, worked for IMI in UK in the late 50’s/early 60’s and was on the team that won an award for working out some process that allowed mass production of titanium.
Still got 2 melts st home from one of the foundry pours.
Vivi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:26 pmI'll never understand the prestige Titanium enjoys.
It isn't very expensive. Check prices yourself - https://store.tmstitanium.com
That's the first retailer I found for Ti stock, I'm sure you could do better if you shopped around.
Titanium was discovered waaaay back in the 1700's, it isn't the space age high tec stuff it is often made out to be. Humans have been working it for well over a century. USSR were using it for military applications right around the end of WW2.
It sure gets a lot of hype in the knife world though.
I too wondered the same thing about 30yrs. ago when I was USFC amateur bike racer just getting my first bike built w/a Ti frame. Rewarded with the most supple ride I'd ever experienced in a cutting edge light titanium bike, I started reading about Ti's properties and history, and seem to remember that it was one of the most abundant elements on earth, however, until that time (1989 or so) it was so hard to machine due to Ti's tinsel strength (it would literally stretch away from the tool trying to cut it), and therefore too cost prohibitive for many consumer applications to use.Vivi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:26 pmI'll never understand the prestige Titanium enjoys.
It isn't very expensive. Check prices yourself - https://store.tmstitanium.com
That's the first retailer I found for Ti stock, I'm sure you could do better if you shopped around.
Titanium was discovered waaaay back in the 1700's, it isn't the space age high tec stuff it is often made out to be. Humans have been working it for well over a century. USSR were using it for military applications right around the end of WW2.
It sure gets a lot of hype in the knife world though.
Well said and I agree 100%Wartstein wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:59 pmFor me it comes down to three considerations: "Is it worth it" and if the answer is "yes": "Can I afford it" and "do I want to afford it (now or later)"
Concerning the first one: I do not own a Shaman (yet...), but handled one, and I have to say: For me personally it is totally worth every cent, even in Europe (where in 2018 it did cost at least USD 230, did not check the 2019 prices); it´s like you can feel all the history of Spyderco and experience in designing great knifes, the ergos are mindblowing, you just don´t want to put that thing down again, and I guess that will make every second you use the Shaman enjoyable. For me that is worth the money, no doubt.
Besides you always have to take in account: What makes the Shaman pricey is also the reason that you would be able to sell it someday for a good price, should you really come to not liking it that much anymore (which I can´t imagine though). That´s a difference compared to expenses on other hobbies.
I for example am an enthusiastic mountaineer, rockclimber and trailrunner , and waste between two and three pairs of trailrunning shoes per summerseason, one pair will cost around 100 USD; that money is gone, purchasing the Shaman on the other hand would either give me a knife I´ll enjoy for many years or I´d get some of my money back by selling it someday.
If I CAN afford it and / or if I WANT to afford it at the moment are different stories. Could be that the answer to both is "no", but I´d still think the price for the Shaman is totally reasonable, just I can´t or do not want to lay the money down right now.
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