“60 years of personal touch”, indeed.
And, oh, BTW, designs in the year 5 and in the year 55 don’t carry the same weight.
Got the actual thread reference?
very good, and fair, point. for example, i would much rather have a manix than a tenacious, but i would not rather have a manix xl than a resilience, which i also have and love. i suppose that depends on how much you want certain features. if you're one of the people that think the manix would be perfect if it was more contoured and had a compression lock, then the extra price may not seem like too much to you. i suppose i get that to an extent. i think spyderco would sell a lot more of them if the price was more in line with the rest of their similar models. if the standard shaman was $160, i bet no one would say anything about it. personally, i'd still feel the same way about it (not being worth it to 'upgrade' from a manix), but i bet there wouldn't be threads like this.wrdwrght wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:04 pmThe bang-for-buck argument turns on how much of a buck you’re willing to part with.ladybug93 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:44 pmyou all can jump on the spyderco praise train and talk about how you love and trust the company, but it doesn’t make the shaman any more of a value. and say what you want about materials not mattering or chinese companies not being reliable, but when spyderco offers knives with the same materials and quality i’ll just stick with the manix, which is more comfortable to my hand and wallet.
If you’d rather buy a Manix2 instead of a Shaman (you’re hardly doing yourself a disservice), you could go further and buy a Tenacious instead of a Manix2 (and still not do yourself a disservice).
Some have justified the Shaman’s higher (than a Manix2) cost; you have justified the Manix2’s higher (than a Tenacious) cost. Nothing wrong with that.
I got a Shaman neither because it was somehow a value-proposition, nor because I trust Spyderco (though I do trust Spyderco never to turn out a crap knife, and always to offer a compelling range of knives). I paid the “extra” dollars less because I could afford it, and more because the knife’s COST-INDUCING refinements of ordinary materials (not to forget the design itself) appealed to me.
You’re doing the same with the Manix2.
As I said, it’s all about the buck you’re willing to part with.
This thread amounts to a complaint about the attack on our thresholds, and nothing more than that. I thought it was a given that we all hate paying more.
contoured scales, stonewashed blade, and thicker blade stock all add to the price. i get that. i just think $50 is a lot for those changes and they don't add $50 of value for me. the li'l temperance 3 costs an insane amount for what it is. i talked enough about all of that in the price increase thread.Vivi wrote: The rounded scales of the Shaman make it cost more to make compared to similar designs using the same materials. Something to consider.
IIRC the Temp 3 sells for a similar price while being smaller and having regular scales.
i would like them to succeed as well. i like the company and their products. i don't appreciate the discrepancies i pointed out above, but spyderco are free to have them and you are free to spend what you want on knives you want.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: I am happy it exists and the price is just fine by me. Spyderco deserves to profit and I want them too. I want them to succeed so they keep producing new and innovative designs fo me to collect.
i'm not sure how that is rude or arrogant, but in any case, that is not how i meant it at all. i'm sorry if it came across that way. i'm talking about you as in the consumer; not you specifically. maybe i should have replaced "you" with "we?"
fair enough. i tried to word my post carefully, which i take it you caught on to based on your answer. i believe it cost more to make, but i don't believe it's priced competitively, even within your own lineup. that's what this thread was about and i was just trying to bring it back since it lost it's way in praise and justifications trying to negate the point. even if it cost more to manufacture, it's not wrong for a customer to point out that it doesn't seem to fit.sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:26 pmHey Ladybug,
The Shaman cost more to make it than we thought. We're working on trying to figure out ways to reduce the mfg costs. We always listen to our customers. We just don't throw something out there and say tough sh*t. It's just not the way we do things. Because our customers can't see why it cost more, doesn't mean it didn't cost more. Some times I can't see why something is the way it is. That doesn't mean it isn't, it just means I can't see it.
There is a difference in living and surviving.
This comment about 60 years of personal touch was posted by Sal, earlier in this very thread. I’m not sure if that is what you wanted to know.