Yes they do, but here's a few hard truths as well.
LOL, it doesn't surprise me to see that a lot in the US can't live on it.
Is that in ozzydollars or American :P
rgrad80 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:41 pmI went to my go to online retailer to purchase the DLC Shaman for my coworker as a birthday present...and noticed it costs over $200 now! Needless to say, I went a different direction. I own a Shaman and I love it. I was able to get mine for a very deep discount when a retailer miss priced them last year, but $200? For g10 and S30v? No thanks...and I’m confident many people who had the Shaman on the stong “maybe” list, just crossed it off the list completely.
A few of the Chinese makers are manufacturing outstanding quality knives with perfectly heat treaded super steels...well under $200. So, for the price of a stock PM2 or Shaman, someone can get an outstanding quality/fit/finish, full titanium knife with M390. Truth. The new prices also now put Spyderco in line with a lot of other US makers who will continue to dominate and devour the market share.
I’m always going to be a fan of the Spyderco brand, mostly because I believe Sal is a stand up guy. At the current prices, it’s too easy to get knives made of much higher quality materials with outstanding new designs.
The retailer was Cabelas, and the “sale” was actually alerted on this forum;)Zatx wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:22 pmrgrad80 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:41 pmI went to my go to online retailer to purchase the DLC Shaman for my coworker as a birthday present...and noticed it costs over $200 now! Needless to say, I went a different direction. I own a Shaman and I love it. I was able to get mine for a very deep discount when a retailer miss priced them last year, but $200? For g10 and S30v? No thanks...and I’m confident many people who had the Shaman on the stong “maybe” list, just crossed it off the list completely.
A few of the Chinese makers are manufacturing outstanding quality knives with perfectly heat treaded super steels...well under $200. So, for the price of a stock PM2 or Shaman, someone can get an outstanding quality/fit/finish, full titanium knife with M390. Truth. The new prices also now put Spyderco in line with a lot of other US makers who will continue to dominate and devour the market share.
I’m always going to be a fan of the Spyderco brand, mostly because I believe Sal is a stand up guy. At the current prices, it’s too easy to get knives made of much higher quality materials with outstanding new designs.
Here's an observation and a truth based on your own words -
You admit to taking advantage of a retailer who missed priced an item to obtain a Shaman much cheaper than it should have sold and were apparently perfectly okay with that...well... because you did it. You then see that the Shaman sells for $200 at your favorite retailer and then come here to make a post that implies that Spyderco is... what? Taking advantage of people by selling an S30V knife with G-10 scales for $200?
I also observe highly passive-aggressive tendencies on your part. You say, "I'm always going to be fan... Sal is a stand-up guy," and then, "it's easy to get much higher quality" knives.
Dude, I think you really need to work on yourself before you go pointing fingers at others. Maybe you should talk to someone?
Part of the human condition. We are an imperfect species so there are Very few black/white answers, because virtually everything has shades of grey to it. When people talk in absolutes it drives me nuts. Most of the time, when two people are arguing both have some valid points and some flawed ones. Finding a good middle ground is key IMO.sal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:27 pmThese are just my opinions/ramblings and not here for argument.
Wages in general are an interesting study. From a social psychology point of view. A constant "yin-Yang". Many businesses have their own points of view on this concept world wide. One point of view says; "keep costs as low as possible to maximize profit". Another says; "Pay your people as much as you can so you can keep them". "If you can't keep your good people, you are always training and you never get good".
The Chinese Yuan is 6/1 to the US dollar so one US dollar in China is now worth $6.00
$8.00 per hour is a joke to try to live on. That's the maximize profit part of the equation. Even $15.00 per hour is challenging for survival.
Somewhere between the concepts there is a balance, but it's really hard to find and maintain. A capitalistic leaning drives harder....but many end up with less. A socialistic leaning destroys incentive so most end up with less. Employee owned business seem like a good solution, but most fail?
'Tis a puzzlement?
sal
Seems pretty simple to me and well laid out. $8.00 an hour is a slave wage $15.00 per hour is A Slave Wage and a half. People need to be making a bare minimum of $20.00 per hour in America to have any standard of living whatsoever at all.sal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:27 pmThese are just my opinions/ramblings and not here for argument.
Wages in general are an interesting study. From a social psychology point of view. A constant "yin-Yang". Many businesses have their own points of view on this concept world wide. One point of view says; "keep costs as low as possible to maximize profit". Another says; "Pay your people as much as you can so you can keep them". "If you can't keep your good people, you are always training and you never get good".
The Chinese Yuan is 6/1 to the US dollar so one US dollar in China is now worth $6.00
$8.00 per hour is a joke to try to live on. That's the maximize profit part of the equation. Even $15.00 per hour is challenging for survival.
Somewhere between the concepts there is a balance, but it's really hard to find and maintain. A capitalistic leaning drives harder....but many end up with less. A socialistic leaning destroys incentive so most end up with less. Employee owned business seem like a good solution, but most fail?
'Tis a puzzlement?
sal
Materials are not the end all be all.rgrad80 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:41 pmI went to my go to online retailer to purchase the DLC Shaman for my coworker as a birthday present...and noticed it costs over $200 now! Needless to say, I went a different direction. I own a Shaman and I love it. I was able to get mine for a very deep discount when a retailer miss priced them last year, but $200? For g10 and S30v? No thanks...and I’m confident many people who had the Shaman on the stong “maybe” list, just crossed it off the list completely.
A few of the Chinese makers are manufacturing outstanding quality knives with perfectly heat treaded super steels...well under $200. So, for the price of a stock PM2 or Shaman, someone can get an outstanding quality/fit/finish, full titanium knife with M390. Truth. The new prices also now put Spyderco in line with a lot of other US makers who will continue to dominate and devour the market share.
I’m always going to be a fan of the Spyderco brand, mostly because I believe Sal is a stand up guy. At the current prices, it’s too easy to get knives made of much higher quality materials with outstanding new designs.
It sounds like it’s not knives you collect but knives from x,y and z companies from x,y and z countries of origin, keeping in mind that spyderco make knives in China there may be a price requirement attached to them too.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:43 pmNow if someone wants to buy a cheap gift well that's a persons prerogative it is not for me to judge the value they place on that persons relationship, but if someone gave me a knife as a gift and it said made in China I would hope they did not know much about knives or that I collect them.
If you are a 15 year old living with your parents, yes. If you are a waiter or bartender and get most of your income from tips, yes. If you are a car salesman and get lots of your income from commissions, yes.
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