Is your avatar a fixed hawkbill?Stuart Ackerman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:29 pmI have made a bunch of sheaths for Civilians carried in the open position.
SOB carry and sheathing was no problem.
Fixed Blade Hawkbill: We Need To Talk
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Oh, and a sharpened swedge on the forward edge of the blade for slicing open platic wrap and junk.
I don't see the Swick working for anything but a reverse hawkbill, but with the forward edge sharpened a bit aswell it adds some extra functionality.
I don't see the Swick working for anything but a reverse hawkbill, but with the forward edge sharpened a bit aswell it adds some extra functionality.
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It is, Vivi...owned by Daywalker/Chad Los Banos...Vivi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:58 pmIs your avatar a fixed hawkbill?Stuart Ackerman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:29 pmI have made a bunch of sheaths for Civilians carried in the open position.
SOB carry and sheathing was no problem.
The Boomerang... :p
The steel was 110 mm wide.
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Oh yes, it was the first VG10 blade I made after sourcing a sheet.
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I don’t think so. Knives that take a lot of abuse need to be fixed. Knives that get really dirty or messy (skinning) are much easier to clean if fixed. Large blades need to be fixed. Etc (lots of applications benefit from fixed).
But for what I think of for a hawkbill (pull cuts on fibrous material) I just don’t see why it needs to be large and beefy such that a fixed blade offers anything. You’re not going to baton with it. Deployment is actually trickier if you make it fixed than as a folder (as Sal pointed out).
So that’s where I’m coming from. What’s the “killer app” for this fixed blade hawkbill?
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That's really interesting Stuart and I would love to check one of those out. Now I'm more of a MATRIARCH fan than I am a CIVILIAN fan but I"m sure one could be made for the Matriarch too.Stuart Ackerman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:29 pmI have made a bunch of sheaths for Civilians carried in the open position.
SOB carry and sheathing was no problem.
Just like that post I answered of Mr. Glesser's>> When I told him about that old BUCK linoleum knife I've had for years. It really blew me away how high quality of a sheath they used on that one. You wouldn't think they would make anything really fancy for a linoleum knife but they did.
And what's really cool is as curved/bent as that linoleum blade is that sheath they made really works quite well considering.
I'm curious on that CIVI sheath do you have to bend or contort to feed it in and out of the sheath?
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Well I kindly beg to differ with you. Because even with a conventional designed blade I'm finding that I can usually apply more pressure and do it more safely that I can with a folder and with confidence as well. The sturdiness of a fixed blade ( especially a really rigid designed unit) just gives me a lot more confidence using it. Even as much as I love my M390 Military ( I idolize that folder along with the C-60) I've found that when using my STREETBEAT I just seem to have a little more secure grip with it at times. Not to mention you can accommodate a bigger blade in most cases as well.zhyla wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:22 pmI don’t think so. Knives that take a lot of abuse need to be fixed. Knives that get really dirty or messy (skinning) are much easier to clean if fixed. Large blades need to be fixed. Etc (lots of applications benefit from fixed).
But for what I think of for a hawkbill (pull cuts on fibrous material) I just don’t see why it needs to be large and beefy such that a fixed blade offers anything. You’re not going to baton with it. Deployment is actually trickier if you make it fixed than as a folder (as Sal pointed out).
So that’s where I’m coming from. What’s the “killer app” for this fixed blade hawkbill?
Maybe this is just a ford vs chevy type debate but I'll at least say I personally see a lot of obvious advantages in a well built fixed blade. Also you can use culinary knives as another example as well. I bet you won't find one chef that would opt for a folder over a fixed blade for instance. I would also be willing to bet that guys in the fishing and seafaring industries that use these hawkbill types of blades a lot for fishing nets and other jobs would also appreciate a fixed blade>> they would also be much easier to rig up a lanyard with than a folder would be >> and that would be really great when working at sea, lake, river because I couldn't imagine the heartbreak of seeing any nice blade go overboard :eek: .
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Well... generally speaking, a fixed blade also gives you a more comfortable and ergonomic handle to begin with.
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I'd actually be fine with an Enuff hawkbill as well, I don't necessarily need 5+ inches of blade for what I plan to use it for. The extra reach is sometimes handy but most cuts are made closer to the tang where more leverage is made. An Enuff hawkbill might be easier to make sheaths for.
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I wouldn't object to a Hawkbill in the ENUFF line up at all. But for a small one I still think that the suggestion of a SWICK Hawkbill makes more sense in many ways. First it would be a great one to have a GOLDEN made Hawkbill>> there is a lot of versatility to modify and create different types of handles for it. I also like ergonomics of the SWICK a bit better myself.Evil D wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:25 amI'd actually be fine with an Enuff hawkbill as well, I don't necessarily need 5+ inches of blade for what I plan to use it for. The extra reach is sometimes handy but most cuts are made closer to the tang where more leverage is made. An Enuff hawkbill might be easier to make sheaths for.
But your initial suggestion of a "JUMPMASTER" hawkbill so far intrigues me the most. But even a larger scale SUPERHAWK in a fixed blade appeals to me as well. ALL of them of course need to be offered in Spyderedge. Because to me a Hawkbill without a Spyderedge is almost like a Michelin Radial with no air in it.
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I have activated the Spydie Signal(like the Bat Signal, but better)
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Now, we wait!..
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5" or better spyderedged with VG10 or similar and enough tube holes that you could fashion a pole for a makeshift polesaw for small limbs... I'd be down
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Hi JD,
While I admire your interest and passion, I'll admit that I'm not in a hurry to meet your request. Hawkbills are a small market at best and I don't have much faith in plain edge Hawkbills as working tools. I agree with suggestions that an existing design (Enuff, Swick, etc.) would be a better investment. I think my preference would be for the Swick. The blade is shorter and the angle not so severe for the sheath.
Hi Stuart,
The tip of the Civilian does not drop as much as designs like the Spyderhawk. It's the dropped tip that creates sheath problems.
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While I admire your interest and passion, I'll admit that I'm not in a hurry to meet your request. Hawkbills are a small market at best and I don't have much faith in plain edge Hawkbills as working tools. I agree with suggestions that an existing design (Enuff, Swick, etc.) would be a better investment. I think my preference would be for the Swick. The blade is shorter and the angle not so severe for the sheath.
Hi Stuart,
The tip of the Civilian does not drop as much as designs like the Spyderhawk. It's the dropped tip that creates sheath problems.
sal
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Well I'm down for the Hawkbill Swick reverse or standard, SE only, LC200N.sal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:17 pmHi JD,
While I admire your interest and passion, I'll admit that I'm not in a hurry to meet your request. Hawkbills are a small market at best and I don't have much faith in plain edge Hawkbills as working tools. I agree with suggestions that an existing design (Enuff, Swick, etc.) would be a better investment. I think my preference would be for the Swick. The blade is shorter and the angle not so severe for the sheath.
Hi Stuart,
The tip of the Civilian does not drop as much as designs like the Spyderhawk. It's the dropped tip that creates sheath problems.
sal
I'm already waiting for the Swick 5, what's one more?
The front edge being sharpened PE from the tip, half way back on a reverse hawkbill. Would that be feasible?
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OH Mr. Glesser please don't misunderstand me>> I DO NOT WANT A PLAIN EDGED HAWKBILL>> fixed or folder. The only reason I suggested to make it in PE & SE both was because it does seem like we've got a number of the brethren who do like a plain edge unit. It would be fine by me if you all never made another PE Hawkbill... Personally the 4 Hawkbills I use in rotation are all Spyderedged. The only PE Hawkbill I even used just on a few occasions was my vintage, Blue Handled, VG-10 PE SPYERHAWK>> but I've pretty much put it into retirement. I know that Ceya's design has a prototype of a PE Hawkbill but I can assure you that he would be fine with a Spyderedged unit as well>> I'm sure 98% of us would be.sal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:17 pmHi JD,
While I admire your interest and passion, I'll admit that I'm not in a hurry to meet your request. Hawkbills are a small market at best and I don't have much faith in plain edge Hawkbills as working tools. I agree with suggestions that an existing design (Enuff, Swick, etc.) would be a better investment. I think my preference would be for the Swick. The blade is shorter and the angle not so severe for the sheath.
Hi Stuart,
The tip of the Civilian does not drop as much as designs like the Spyderhawk. It's the dropped tip that creates sheath problems.
sal
I would love to see a Spyderedged Swick Hawkbill>> I believe that would be an excellent model for most people to learn with. And the reason I went along with David on his suggestion of a JUMPMASTER HAWKBILL is because that model is a mega-beast in SE and I do believe a Hawkbill version would be just as good or maybe better. Just wanted to clear the air :)
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I would like to retract the reverse hawkbill Swick idea. Ergos were no good with the Swick handle.
Standard hawkbill it is!!!
Standard hawkbill it is!!!
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Here’s a small one I designed and had CKE (Craig Wheatley) make up for me. Great little all ‘round blade. I’d be in for a Spyder of some description.
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That's pretty much similar to the SWICK model we've been discussing.
If we do have a SWICK sized Hawkbill I do hope it has a lot of curve in it.
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In size maybe. But it’s based more on an exaggerated “Sway Back Jack” pattern. Very different feel in hand. I use it for pruning, cutting off suckers, things like that. I guess it depends on intended use. For me the smaller Spyderco fixed blades can’t be beat. A larger hawk in sheath would be challenging to create and draw. Even this one is finicky. I’m sure Sal and crew could pull it off (and out!) I think Sal mentioned this above too.
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Thank you!!! You are really helping to make my case that SE Hawkbills and I guess to some extent PE Hawkbills are great tools for lawn and garden chores. I'm just hearing it over and over and from many different sectors of lawn, garden & landscaping people too.RLR wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:53 amIn size maybe. But it’s based more on an exaggerated “Sway Back Jack” pattern. Very different feel in hand. I use it for pruning, cutting off suckers, things like that. I guess it depends on intended use. For me the smaller Spyderco fixed blades can’t be beat. A larger hawk in sheath would be challenging to create and draw. Even this one is finicky. I’m sure Sal and crew could pull it off (and out!) I think Sal mentioned this above too.
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And your point on Spyderco's small fixed blades is well taken because I've been screaming for a Spyderedged version of the STREETBEAT and SWICK models for quite some time now. But premium Hawkbills like Spyderco's should be in major lawn & garden catalogs like A.M. Leonard and Felco.