Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

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Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby elena86 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:19 am

I openly expressed my admiration for Sal's designs and these are just questions-sugestions in all humility and I am driven by the desire to improve the design of this superb little folder:

1. Why that slight hump on the spine of the blade, near the tip ? It spoils the aesthetics IMHO, but maybe there is a reason behind that. Would it be possible to remove that in a future iteration ?

2. It would only take 1 mm or so to fully expose the thumb hole so ... why not do it ?

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby Tims » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:27 am

Pretty thin stock on that Chaparral, I’d imagine it’s for tip strength.

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby The Deacon » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:11 am

To me, the spine of the Chaparral is a smooth arc from the top of the Spyderhole to the tip, I don't see a "hump". I also think the spine's shape provides a esthetically pleasing symmetry with the edge's shape. Am sure someone could grind down the spine for you if you want it less curved or straight. As for the handle, changing it would change the ergonomics of the handle. Not sure it would be worth the risk for the minute gain in Spyderhole access. Especially since, unlike the Native, the hole's occlusion has never caused me any issue with opening the Chaparral. Again, easy enough mod if someone wants to experiment with their own knife.
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby Rutger » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:25 am

I find the blade looking better as it is now. And when closed it has a better flow in the design. Also the hump makes it less aggressive looking. Very pointy blades scare none-knife people.
Same thing with the hole. I think i prefer it slightly recessed for aesthetics. I don't need more exposure for function. Differences in taste i guess.

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby ronT2 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:30 am

I like the leaf shape blade and find it aesthetically pleasing. Straightening the spine to be more of a clip point would make it less so.
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby elena86 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:57 am

ronT2 wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:30 am
I like the leaf shape blade and find it aesthetically pleasing. Straightening the spine to be more of a clip point would make it less so.
No "straitghtening" was mentioned in the OP ....
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby elena86 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:11 am

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To me, the spine of the Chaparral is a smooth arc from the top of the Spyderhole to the tip, I don't see a "hump". I also think the spine's shape provides a esthetically pleasing symmetry with the edge's shape. Am sure someone could grind down the spine for you if you want it less curved or straight. As for the handle, changing it would change the ergonomics of the handle. Not sure it would be worth the risk for the minute gain in Spyderhole access. Especially since, unlike the Native, the hole's occlusion has never caused me any issue with opening the Chaparral. Again, easy enough mod if someone wants to experiment with their own knife.
With all respect sir but... no, it's not a " smooth arc from the top of the spyderhole " IMO. But... maybe it's just semantics Or maybe I have a distorted perception ... I mean it

THIS is what I call a "smooth arc"
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Or THIS
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby jpm2 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:45 am

Those are changes you can easily do yourself.

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby sal » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:31 pm

Hi Marous,

As mentioned, the spine gives more tip strength with the thin steel stock and the handle was for ergos. Also, each design that create is its own design. Things like slip-joints change the shape of the blade to facilitate function. I'm way more conscious of function that eye appeal.

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby BornIn1500 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:21 pm

The Chaparral sure looks like a smooth arc to me. I see no "hump".

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby sal » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:04 pm

I think he means that the entire "arc" itself is kinda of an hump. At least in comparison to the Calypso (older design) and the Urban (wider blade to offer more of a leverage arm to one hand open).

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby RobDigi » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:26 pm

I got my first Chap the stepped ti blu about a month ago.
I usually prefer the Spyderco blades that drop a little..like the PM2, Delica, Endura, Manbug...
much more than leaf shape Sage, Native, Manix

But the blade shape on the Chap is one of the many things I love about this knife.
The blade looks amazing when you grab it by the choil and thumb ramp... nice smooth lines,
and quite capable lol.

To the OP I would say put your thumb right up on that little hump..feels gooood!

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby sal » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:35 am

Hey Rob,

That stepped Ti has no curved lines. The entire design is made up of straight lines. Not only is the design unique, the machining is exquisite.

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby this_is_nascar » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:47 am

One of the main things I love about the Chaparral is its looks, both opened and closed. Other than adding versions with different scales, as intended, please leave the Chaparral as is.

I continue to be amazed at the number of comments from people trying to change the Chaparral.

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby Daveho » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:15 am

Buy a file and get to work

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby ronT2 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:44 am

sal wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:35 am
Hey Rob,

That stepped Ti has no curved lines. The entire design is made up of straight lines. Not only is the design unique, the machining is exquisite.

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I never noticed that, pretty cool!
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby The Deacon » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:13 am

elena86 wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:11 am
With all respect sir but... no, it's not a " smooth arc from the top of the spyderhole " IMO. But... maybe it's just semantics Or maybe I have a distorted perception ... I mean it

With all respect, I see no difference between the arc of the Chaparral's spine and that of the Calypso Jr's or Urban's. I could easily understand, and even agree with, someone who considered the way the Delica's spine abruptly from straight to a small radius curve near the tip to be unattractive. On the other hand, I see no abrupt change of radius at any point between the Chaparral blade's tip and its Spyderhole. So yes, it may just be semantics, or simply differences in what you and I find esthetically pleasing.
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby anycal » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:12 pm

There is a difference, on my CF Chaparral. About 5/8" from the tip, there is hump. If you run your finger over the spine, you can feel the difference of the curvature. It bothers me exactly 0%, but it is there.

It is a cool little knife.
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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby RobDigi » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:34 pm

sal wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:35 am
Hey Rob,

That stepped Ti has no curved lines. The entire design is made up of straight lines. Not only is the design unique, the machining is exquisite.

sal
Yes it is a jewel...
I know you say you are much more concern with function than looks,
and the Chap is all that...
but this stepped Ti blue is so good lookin. ;)

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Re: Two questions for Sal regarding the Chaparral design

Postby Bloke » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:04 pm

anycal wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:12 pm
there is hump.
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