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Re: yojimbo salt

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ladybug93 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:33 am
koenigsegg wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:01 am
Sure why not release a 5th variant this year lol
i didn’t ask to have it in my hands tomorrow. i simply made a suggestion that it be made in the future with a rustproof steel for worry free iwb carry.
Seriously, how much of a worry is it ?

How many if your blades actually rust ?
(Excluding cheapies you may use and high carbon steel)
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Re: yojimbo salt

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500Nitro wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:10 pm
ladybug93 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:33 am
koenigsegg wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:01 am
Sure why not release a 5th variant this year lol
i didn’t ask to have it in my hands tomorrow. i simply made a suggestion that it be made in the future with a rustproof steel for worry free iwb carry.
Seriously, how much of a worry is it ?

How many if your blades actually rust ?
(Excluding cheapies you may use and high carbon steel)
Just like some people desire more edge holding than others, some require more corrosion resistance than others. Some of us spend our days in offices, some of us spend them in a kayak.

I'll never understand the "you don't need more corrosion resistance than me" crowd lol.

I had a DLC Para 2 and basically everything on that knife that wasn't DLC coated or G10 rusted from IWB carry. Expensive stainless steel knife.

We all have different needs.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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I wasn't saying you don't need it. I used to have very salty sweat that rusted anything.

I do think you get variations in a steel that makes some more susceptible than others even though they are supposed to be identical.
I see it in high carbon fibre Green river skinners and boners, some rust more than others.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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You implied it as heavily as you could without saying it lol.

lemme go find a sprint run thread and ask people "do you really need something that holds an edge longer than s30v? seriously, how often do you have to sharpen your base lil native?" and see how many friends I make :p
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Re: yojimbo salt

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I always joke that I love marshmallows, graham crackers, and chocolate however I don't like smores...

I LOVE the Salt knives and I LOVE the Yojimbo, but I would not really care too much for a Yojimbo Salt.

S30V is known for its corrosion resistant already, not sure a Salt version has a ton of application given the target audience for the knife.

Now if the user is having issues with rust (I know some people have a body chemistry that likes to rust things in the pocket), it would be easy to simply have one of the many commercial coatings that inhibit rust applied to the blade.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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s30v is fine in my pocket. it would probably be fine in my waistband too, but i’d have to keep a constant eye on it. making a self defense blade as worry free and at the ready as possible doesn’t hurt anyone. everyone praises lc200n, so why not? there are already compression lock g10 salt knives, so why not? spyderco may have their reasons to never make it and that’s fine, but i can put the idea in their heads (if it’s not already there) and let them say no. if you have no need for it, save your money for something else and/or start a thread about how your own favorite steel should be used in your own favorite knife. there’s room for all of us here.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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markg wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:35 pm
I always joke that I love marshmallows, graham crackers, and chocolate however I don't like smores...

I LOVE the Salt knives and I LOVE the Yojimbo, but I would not really care too much for a Yojimbo Salt.

S30V is known for its corrosion resistant already, not sure a Salt version has a ton of application given the target audience for the knife.

I bought a Spydiechef so I could have an essentially rust proof knife to carry clipped in my shorts where it's going to get sweated on when I'm exercising or recreating outdoors in the summer. A defensive knife like the Yojimbo is likely to be carried by its target users essentially any time that they're clothed. LEOs in the summer in all their gear sweating through their pants in hot southern climates, troops in all their gear sweating through their uniforms in desert and jungle environments, and Marines and Sailors working in their native environments are all end users who I think would value the additional corrosion resistance of an LC200N or H1 blade in the Yojimbo. I suspect that those same users and use case scenarios are why Spyderco offers fully blacked out versions of several of the Salt series back locks.

I'd personally love to see a Yojimbo or similar knife done as an RIL / frame lock in the same materials as the Spydiechef. As good as the Caribbean should be, the fact that the Spydiechef doesn't have liners to potentially trap moisture and/or reactive contaminants makes it even an even more fool proof option.
markg wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:35 pm
Now if the user is having issues with rust (I know some people have a body chemistry that likes to rust things in the pocket), it would be easy to simply have one of the many commercial coatings that inhibit rust applied to the blade.
There was a recent thread here about M4 rusting through the DLC coating. Those coatings apparently have some porosity or are least semi-permeable membranes. There's also a current Salt thread where users brought up that the black coating on their H1 blades made the opening and closing action less smooth because of the added dimensional thickness of the coating. Beyond the dimensional change, having a third party apply a coating would almost certainly void the warranty.

I think I've helped to illustrate that there is indeed a niche for a Yojimbo Salt. However, I do wonder if it's too small a niche to warrant actually producing such a knife.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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double tap
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Re: yojimbo salt

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I would enjoy a Yojimbo salt! I am not sure how successful it would be, or how much mainstream appeal it would have. Maybe a blacked-out LC200N special forces version?

Did this idea originate from the shark defense thread?
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Re: yojimbo salt

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clovisc wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:41 am
I would enjoy a Yojimbo salt! I am not sure how successful it would be, or how much mainstream appeal it would have. Maybe a blacked-out LC200N special forces version?

Did this idea originate from the shark defense thread?
haha. no. i’ve had this idea for a while now regarding the matriarch and i’m just applying the same logic to the yojimbo. it just makes sense to me that a self defense blade be as low maintenance as possible. it’s the same reason people started carrying glocks and why so many other manufacturers started imitating their designs.

i probably wouldn’t wear the yojimbo in the ocean. i prefer a longer serrated edge for water carry in case i need to cut some kind of line. the pacific salt is already perfect for that application because it’s so light and thin.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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also, dlc coating and a nice tactical color for the handle scales would be sweet. black is fine, but the brown on the s90v version looks great and my personal favorite would be od green. thanks.
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C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
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Re: yojimbo salt

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ugaarguy wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:52 am
markg wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:35 pm
I always joke that I love marshmallows, graham crackers, and chocolate however I don't like smores...

I LOVE the Salt knives and I LOVE the Yojimbo, but I would not really care too much for a Yojimbo Salt.

S30V is known for its corrosion resistant already, not sure a Salt version has a ton of application given the target audience for the knife.

I bought a Spydiechef so I could have an essentially rust proof knife to carry clipped in my shorts where it's going to get sweated on when I'm exercising or recreating outdoors in the summer. A defensive knife like the Yojimbo is likely to be carried by its target users essentially any time that they're clothed. LEOs in the summer in all their gear sweating through their pants in hot southern climates, troops in all their gear sweating through their uniforms in desert and jungle environments, and Marines and Sailors working in their native environments are all end users who I think would value the additional corrosion resistance of an LC200N or H1 blade in the Yojimbo. I suspect that those same users and use case scenarios are why Spyderco offers fully blacked out versions of several of the Salt series back locks.

I'd personally love to see a Yojimbo or similar knife done as an RIL / frame lock in the same materials as the Spydiechef. As good as the Caribbean should be, the fact that the Spydiechef doesn't have liners to potentially trap moisture and/or reactive contaminants makes it even an even more fool proof option.
markg wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:35 pm
Now if the user is having issues with rust (I know some people have a body chemistry that likes to rust things in the pocket), it would be easy to simply have one of the many commercial coatings that inhibit rust applied to the blade.
There was a recent thread here about M4 rusting through the DLC coating. Those coatings apparently have some porosity or are least semi-permeable membranes. There's also a current Salt thread where users brought up that the black coating on their H1 blades made the opening and closing action less smooth because of the added dimensional thickness of the coating. Beyond the dimensional change, having a third party apply a coating would almost certainly void the warranty.

I think I've helped to illustrate that there is indeed a niche for a Yojimbo Salt. However, I do wonder if it's too small a niche to warrant actually producing such a knife.
DLC is not going to help all that much with rust. I have had numerous M2/4 blades from another company that are coated with a different coating and have never had an issue with rust with them (possibly the exposed edge but that is no big deal).

But I agree DLC is not going to help that much.

Now I would entertain an FRN version of a Yojimbo Salt, mainly just because. :D
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Re: yojimbo salt

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well, we got the blacked out yojimbo a lot of you were asking for here. now it’s time for a yojimbo salt! :)
keep your knife sharp and your focus sharper.
current collection:
C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
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Re: yojimbo salt

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ladybug93 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:53 pm
well, we got the blacked out yojimbo a lot of you were asking for here. now it’s time for a yojimbo salt! :)
I'm still on board for this.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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I'd buy a yojimbo 2 salt.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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It would be pretty cool if most of the catalog was offered in a Salt variant.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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I'd get a Yo-Salt for sure.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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Now that the Siren is enroute ... this would be a great next acquisition for the collection. I'm only a couple hundred meters from the ocean and I carry salt knives on the water, but just being outside working a couple hours in the summer I'm going to come home soaked in sweat. I'm all for the Yo2 in lc200n for a low maintenance, often carried and rarely used tool.
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Re: yojimbo salt

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This in full LC200N, would be the motivation I need to get one and modify the scales to fit my hand.

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Re: yojimbo salt

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A blacked out Yo2 Salt would be an instant buy for me (and I'll take an orange Rex45 version too for that matter :D )
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