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Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:28 pm

Warming up to the Pacific Salt and was wondering about something. Seems to me I read something about a FFG serrated version but have not been able to discover if one is coming out soon.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Vivi » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:52 pm

Last Sal mentioned he's carried a prototype version, but no details yet on when it will be put into production.

I'm guessing sometime in 2019.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:11 pm

Looking forward to 2019 then. Cooked dinner using Salt pacific The original. Felt a great deal of freedom getting it sopping wet.

Laughing who knew spyderedges were good for peeling garlic?

Even peeled a boiled egg today with it!
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby tonijedi » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:13 am

I hope the Salt 2 also gets the FFG LC200N blade in both black and yellow versions.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Wartstein » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:27 pm

Any updates on an ffg Pacific Salt in serrated edge? (Sal, maybe, if you like?)?

I REALLY want to get a Pac Salt in SE, mostly for the light, linerless construction, the serrations which I got to really appreciate in my Endela and in order to try out the Endura 3 style handle (love the Endura 4 handle, but want to compare).

Now: sabre / hollow grind never was for me, for example that kind of grind was the only reason I sold my Centofante.

Experiencing how great serrations work in a 3mm stock ffg blade (Endela) I´d probably not get the current Pac Salt, but wait for an ffg one, if there is any chance such a model will come out more or less soon...
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Evil D » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:42 am

All of the pieces are in place to make a Pacific with a wharnie SE blade in LC200N. It just needs the green light and put into production. We already have the Endura equivalent.
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Wartstein » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:56 am

Evil D wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:42 am
All of the pieces are in place to make a Pacific with a wharnie SE blade in LC200N. It just needs the green light and put into production. We already have the Endura equivalent.
David, so you think a Pac Salt in FFG will more or less be a totally rustproof Endura? Built like a Caribbean,so WITH (rustproof) liners?

If so, it would be NOT for me... ironically, the total corrosion resistance is NOT what makes the current Pac Salt attractive for me (or, better put, I just do not need that degree of rustproofness), but rather the LINERLESS construction and the Endura 3 style handle, which I´d like to compare to the one of the Endura 4.
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Evil D » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:30 am

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:56 am
Evil D wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:42 am
All of the pieces are in place to make a Pacific with a wharnie SE blade in LC200N. It just needs the green light and put into production. We already have the Endura equivalent.
David, so you think a Pac Salt in FFG will more or less be a totally rustproof Endura? Built like a Caribbean,so WITH (rustproof) liners?

If so, it would be NOT for me... ironically, the total corrosion resistance is NOT what makes the current Pac Salt attractive for me (or, better put, I just do not need that degree of rustproofness), but rather the LINERLESS construction and the Endura 3 style handle, which I´d like to compare to the one of the Endura 4.
No I meant that comparison more along the lines of already having the ability to make a FFG/SE wharnie blade. I suspect the holdup on the new Pacific has to do with an updated Salt 2/Endura 4 style handle with an updated shape and 4 way clip like the Salt 2 got. I'd be surprised if they debute LC in the standard Pacific package. Do we know for sure if Japan will even work with LC?
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby sal » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:04 pm

It's still in the plan. We are doing quite a bit these days so some things just take longer. Our maker in Seki has worked with LC and has no problems.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Vivi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:41 pm

sal wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:04 pm
It's still in the plan. We are doing quite a bit these days so some things just take longer. Our maker in Seki has worked with LC and has no problems.

sal
Great news!

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby tonijedi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:15 pm

Good news indeed.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:54 pm

Thanks Sal something to look forward to.
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Wartstein » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Vivi wrote:
sal wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:04 pm
It's still in the plan. We are doing quite a bit these days so some things just take longer. Our maker in Seki has worked with LC and has no problems.

sal
Great news!
Thanks, Sal!

Sal, Vivi and others, may I ask:

As far as I understand (also based on other previous threads I found meanwhile):

- The ffg Pac Salt will still feature the Endura 3 (three) handle, at least in the first run
- The ffg Pac Salt will still have NO liners
- The ffg Pac Salt will feature LC200N

Now, I generally prefer ffg by a huge margin over the sabre hollow grind the current Pac Salt in H1 has
I am only interested in the serrated version of the Pac Salt

- Does the "magic of H1 in SE" make it worth to get the current, H1, sabre hollow grind version, or would you wait for an ffg one in LC200N (specs lke listed above)??
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Vivi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:41 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:00 pm
Vivi wrote:
sal wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:04 pm
It's still in the plan. We are doing quite a bit these days so some things just take longer. Our maker in Seki has worked with LC and has no problems.

sal
Great news!
Thanks, Sal!

Sal, Vivi and others, may I ask:

As far as I understand (also based on other previous threads I found meanwhile):

- The ffg Pac Salt will still feature the Endura 3 (three) handle, at least in the first run
- The ffg Pac Salt will still have NO liners
- The ffg Pac Salt will feature LC200N

Now, I generally prefer ffg by a huge margin over the sabre hollow grind the current Pac Salt in H1 has
I am only interested in the serrated version of the Pac Salt

- Does the "magic of H1 in SE" make it worth to get the current, H1, sabre hollow grind version, or would you wait for an ffg one in LC200N (specs lke listed above)??
Wartstein, at some point or another I've owned every Spyderco folder that's ever interested me (at least the base model, maybe not a specific sprint). I used to have a drawer with close to 200 to choose from.

After trying out all those different knives, I'd say a SE Pacific Salt is my favorite.

If I lost every knife I own, my first two purchases would be a SE Pacific Salt and a Leatherman Wave + with clip.

I always prefer FFG over hollow for the superior cutting performance. In fact I take it a step further and reprofile my bevels much thinner than factory. Comparing a lot of my FFG folders with reprofiled edges, such as my Police 4, Manix XL and Calypso, the Pacific Salt SE is thinner behind the edge. That's one of the reasons I stopped carrying them as much. Not only do the aggressive serrations give the knife exceptional slicing abilities, the Pacific Salt will outcut any PE Spyderco I've owned on pure geometry alone.

That's one of the reasons I like it so much. It's a knife I can pocket right out of the box. The PE folders are ground thicker and need thinned out before I'd want to carry them. So even though it's saber ground, it cuts exceptionally well because of how thin it is at the apex and the first CM behind it.

Another thing to consider is H1 has a toughness comparable to your 1095 ESEE. It's a very tough steel and will roll before it chips. I've used my SE Pacific to hack through branches and had visible damage to serrations that looked pretty rough at first glance, but it straightened out after a few minutes on the sharpmaker. I treat my PE Aqua Salt with a very thin reprofiled edge just like my tool steel fixed blades, never hesitating to baton it.

I think that H1 should always have a place in the line-up for its unique combination of exceptional corrosion resistance & carbon steel like toughness. Coupled with the fact that SE H1 may exceed SE LC200N's edge holding capabilities, in SE it's pretty much a grail steel (Aside from the lack of FFG).

Comparing it side by side to your Endela, the Pacific Salt may cut worse. If you're focused solely on geometry, it may be worth holding out for the LC200N version and seeing if it comes in SE.

However, the Pacific Salt SE as it stands is still the best folder Spyderco makes in my eyes. Compared to the Endela that you enjoy carrying so much, it offers a longer cutting edge in a lighter package. It's a simple one piece FRN handle. The entire knife can be broken down for intense cleaning by removing two screws. The clip can be tightened eith any two coins if it happens to come loose. It's rust proof. It's the lowest maintenance folder you'll ever own, with one of the highest performance factory edges the company offers. But since you're so happy with your Endela and say rust proof isn't a feature you need, some of the appeal could be lost on you. I think it's worth a shot, but I'm pretty biased!

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Sumdumguy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:03 am

Honestly. I would like to see some side by side tests of H1 and LC200N. I don't think LC200N is that far behind H1 in toughness, I have used my Caribbean for some pretty crazy stuff and it's yet to be damaged, other than a very slight roll after glancing across a tool box.

Not taking anything away from H1, it's an amazing steel. LC200N has just been on a different level, overall.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Evil D » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:48 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:03 am
Honestly. I would like to see some side by side tests of H1 and LC200N. I don't think LC200N is that far behind H1 in toughness, I have used my Caribbean for some pretty crazy stuff and it's yet to be damaged, other than a very slight roll after glancing across a tool box.

Not taking anything away from H1, it's an amazing steel. LC200N has just been on a different level, overall.


I can only do so much (or I'll only trust so much) by testing two different model knives. We really need to have at least two similarly ground blades to do the testing. You could probably get away with doing some rope cutting tests between a Caribbean and a Pacific since the blade grind won't make much difference on rope.
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Sumdumguy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:13 am

Evil D wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:48 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:03 am
Honestly. I would like to see some side by side tests of H1 and LC200N. I don't think LC200N is that far behind H1 in toughness, I have used my Caribbean for some pretty crazy stuff and it's yet to be damaged, other than a very slight roll after glancing across a tool box.

Not taking anything away from H1, it's an amazing steel. LC200N has just been on a different level, overall.


I can only do so much (or I'll only trust so much) by testing two different model knives. We really need to have at least two similarly ground blades to do the testing. You could probably get away with doing some rope cutting tests between a Caribbean and a Pacific since the blade grind won't make much difference on rope.
I was thinking more scientific.

Two purpose built fixed blades of similar specs, ran through a battery of tests.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Evil D » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:41 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:13 am
Evil D wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:48 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:03 am
Honestly. I would like to see some side by side tests of H1 and LC200N. I don't think LC200N is that far behind H1 in toughness, I have used my Caribbean for some pretty crazy stuff and it's yet to be damaged, other than a very slight roll after glancing across a tool box.

Not taking anything away from H1, it's an amazing steel. LC200N has just been on a different level, overall.


I can only do so much (or I'll only trust so much) by testing two different model knives. We really need to have at least two similarly ground blades to do the testing. You could probably get away with doing some rope cutting tests between a Caribbean and a Pacific since the blade grind won't make much difference on rope.
I was thinking more scientific.

Two purpose built fixed blades of similar specs, ran through a battery of tests.
I guess we wait until they make something in H1 that compares to a Waterway.
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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Vivi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 pm

Sumdumguy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:13 am
Evil D wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:48 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:03 am
Honestly. I would like to see some side by side tests of H1 and LC200N. I don't think LC200N is that far behind H1 in toughness, I have used my Caribbean for some pretty crazy stuff and it's yet to be damaged, other than a very slight roll after glancing across a tool box.

Not taking anything away from H1, it's an amazing steel. LC200N has just been on a different level, overall.


I can only do so much (or I'll only trust so much) by testing two different model knives. We really need to have at least two similarly ground blades to do the testing. You could probably get away with doing some rope cutting tests between a Caribbean and a Pacific since the blade grind won't make much difference on rope.
I was thinking more scientific.

Two purpose built fixed blades of similar specs, ran through a battery of tests.
I'd love to see it.

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Re: Pacific Salt FFG

Postby Wartstein » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:18 am

Vivi wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:41 pm
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:00 pm
Vivi wrote:
sal wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:04 pm
I

Wartstein, at some point or another I've owned every Spyderco folder that's ever interested me (at least the base model, maybe not a specific sprint). I used to have a drawer with close to 200 to choose from.

After trying out all those different knives, I'd say a SE Pacific Salt is my favorite.

If I lost every knife I own, my first two purchases would be a SE Pacific Salt and a Leatherman Wave + with clip.

I always prefer FFG over hollow for the superior cutting performance. In fact I take it a step further and reprofile my bevels much thinner than factory. Comparing a lot of my FFG folders with reprofiled edges, such as my Police 4, Manix XL and Calypso, the Pacific Salt SE is thinner behind the edge. That's one of the reasons I stopped carrying them as much. Not only do the aggressive serrations give the knife exceptional slicing abilities, the Pacific Salt will outcut any PE Spyderco I've owned on pure geometry alone.

That's one of the reasons I like it so much. It's a knife I can pocket right out of the box. The PE folders are ground thicker and need thinned out before I'd want to carry them. So even though it's saber ground, it cuts exceptionally well because of how thin it is at the apex and the first CM behind it.

Another thing to consider is H1 has a toughness comparable to your 1095 ESEE. It's a very tough steel and will roll before it chips. I've used my SE Pacific to hack through branches and had visible damage to serrations that looked pretty rough at first glance, but it straightened out after a few minutes on the sharpmaker. I treat my PE Aqua Salt with a very thin reprofiled edge just like my tool steel fixed blades, never hesitating to baton it.

I think that H1 should always have a place in the line-up for its unique combination of exceptional corrosion resistance & carbon steel like toughness. Coupled with the fact that SE H1 may exceed SE LC200N's edge holding capabilities, in SE it's pretty much a grail steel (Aside from the lack of FFG).

Comparing it side by side to your Endela, the Pacific Salt may cut worse. If you're focused solely on geometry, it may be worth holding out for the LC200N version and seeing if it comes in SE.

However, the Pacific Salt SE as it stands is still the best folder Spyderco makes in my eyes. Compared to the Endela that you enjoy carrying so much, it offers a longer cutting edge in a lighter package. It's a simple one piece FRN handle. The entire knife can be broken down for intense cleaning by removing two screws. The clip can be tightened eith any two coins if it happens to come loose. It's rust proof. It's the lowest maintenance folder you'll ever own, with one of the highest performance factory edges the company offers. But since you're so happy with your Endela and say rust proof isn't a feature you need, some of the appeal could be lost on you. I think it's worth a shot, but I'm pretty biased!

Vivi, thanks for taking the time and the detailled reply! I value your opinion a lot, so that really helps.

You´re maybe aware of my approach, to not having more than 10 folders at any moment in time - I just want to really use each of them, and with more than 10 that is getting unrealiastic. Plus, I am not the wealthiest man on earth ;)
So I (would) have to sell a Spydie to get a Pac Salt, I think it would/will be my Endura sabre grind. That´s why I think about it for some time, before making a purchase.

Now, after reading your reply, I really think I´ll got for the Pac Salt. Severall aspects that I like, several other that interest me.

I like in any case: The light weight, the long edge, serrations, and, yes, different than you, the yellow handle.
I am interested: In the magic of serrated H1 and the Endura 3 style handle, compared to the Endura 4

The sabre hollow grind... well, I know I won´t like that to much, but sure can live with it.

And you are totally right. Having a serrated knife, longer but LIGHTER than the Endela, with me in the mountains will be great. And the yellow handle will look good on pics... :D
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