Overturning of Knife Restrictions

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby Daveho » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm

Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby JD Spydo » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:38 pm

Daveho wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-
But the exact same logic could apply for nut-jobs in extremely draconian legal environments where guns are highly restricted. That to me is like saying that no one should even drive a car or truck because of all the people that end up losing their lives or end up in wheelchairs because of some bozo who drank a pint of Jack Daniels and got behind the wheel of a vehicle. And that happens daily in the USA unfortunately. Far more people get killed, hurt or permanently disabled in motor vehicles than do with guns, knives or any type of weapons. But yet you don't hear of anybody in spite of their political leaning calling for "Car Control" laws. And there is a lot more reasons to seek Car Control laws than there are for GUN CONTROL for instance.

And look "DaveHo" I've read a few of your posts here at the Forum and you seem like a good guy and I'm sure you are>> I encourage you to check out a book written by a college professor named John R. Lott. He was in the GUN CONTROL camp and was one of their biggest voices for years. But he went to prove that places with super strict Gun Control laws were actually safer than those places that had more lenient gun laws such as the states of Texas, Montana ect. But when he did his hard core research he did a 180 degree change in attitude because he discovered just the opposite.

And now John R. Lott is one of the biggest voices for the right to gun ownership. Many libraries have that book if you want to check it out. Oh by the way the title of his book is called "More Guns, Less Crime">> and he was just the opposite until he did a hard, objective, honest study on the subject.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby The Meat man » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:54 pm

JD Spydo wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:38 pm
Daveho wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-
But the exact same logic could apply for nut-jobs in extremely draconian legal environments where guns are highly restricted. That to me is like saying that no one should even drive a car or truck because of all the people that end up losing their lives or end up in wheelchairs because of some bozo who drank a pint of Jack Daniels and got behind the wheel of a vehicle. And that happens daily in the USA unfortunately. Far more people get killed, hurt or permanently disabled in motor vehicles than do with guns, knives or any type of weapons. But yet you don't hear of anybody in spite of their political leaning calling for "Car Control" laws. And there is a lot more reasons to seek Car Control laws than there are for GUN CONTROL for instance.

Well said JD.


There is no end to it, using that logic. So anything that might conceivably be used to harm someone should be banned? People have been murdered with screwdrivers. Should we ban or restrict screwdrivers, even though the vast majority of screwdriver owners use their tools responsibly?
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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby Daveho » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:55 pm

JD Spydo wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:38 pm
Daveho wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-
But the exact same logic could apply for nut-jobs in extremely draconian legal environments where guns are highly restricted. That to me is like saying that no one should even drive a car or truck because of all the people that end up losing their lives or end up in wheelchairs because of some bozo who drank a pint of Jack Daniels and got behind the wheel of a vehicle. And that happens daily in the USA unfortunately. Far more people get killed, hurt or permanently disabled in motor vehicles than do with guns, knives or any type of weapons. But yet you don't hear of anybody in spite of their political leaning calling for "Car Control" laws. And there is a lot more reasons to seek Car Control laws than there are for GUN CONTROL for instance.

And look "DaveHo" I've read a few of your posts here at the Forum and you seem like a good guy and I'm sure you are>> I encourage you to check out a book written by a college professor named John R. Lott. He was in the GUN CONTROL camp and was one of their biggest voices for years. But he went to prove that places with super strict Gun Control laws were actually safer than those places that had more lenient gun laws such as the states of Texas, Montana ect. But when he did his hard core research he did a 180 degree change in attitude because he discovered just the opposite.

And now John R. Lott is one of the biggest voices for the right to gun ownership. Many libraries have that book if you want to check it out. Oh by the way the title of his book is called "More Guns, Less Crime">> and he was just the opposite until he did a hard, objective, honest study on the subject.
But there are “car control” laws as per my above point-
I don’t know why my having a different opinion would make me a “bad guy” but at any rate as American gun control has little bearing on me personally as an Australian but as a new father I personally would quite happily have my parlenent tred on the rights of those who don’t exercise due caution and allow guns to fall into the hands of kids or those with ill initent.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby The Meat man » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:05 pm

But it's kind of the same here in that respect. In general, America is more lenient toward gun ownership and use than a lot of countries. Here where I live, in rural Missouri, I would say more people carry and use guns than not. But, the privilege doesn't nullify the responsibility. If you use your gun illegally, irresponsibly, or dangerously here, you will still get into trouble. It's not a restriction on gun use, it's a restriction on irresponsible gun use.


Edit to add: Sorry to the OP for the digression. :o
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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby Daveho » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:27 pm

The Meat man wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:05 pm
But it's kind of the same here in that respect. In general, America is more lenient toward gun ownership and use than a lot of countries. Here where I live, in rural Missouri, I would say more people carry and use guns than not. But, the privilege doesn't nullify the responsibility. If you use your gun illegally, irresponsibly, or dangerously here, you will still get into trouble. It's not a restriction on gun use, it's a restriction on irresponsible gun use.


Edit to add: Sorry to the OP for the digression. :o
You are right Mr the meat man, this is a significant derail and there appears no benefit to going forward-
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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby Sjucaveman » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:23 am

Im working overnight away walmart right now and a guy strolled through with a pistol in a shoulder holster. I don't believe anyone noticed but me. I think it was a glock.
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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby MadmanR1 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am

Many thanks to Doug Ritter and all those that support kniferights.org. They are getting it done.

Surprisingly neutral article from the post. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby joeldworkin307 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:14 am

This went sideways fast...

The simple answer is that, currently, we do NOT have a right not to get shot. We have laws that punish the shooter, but bodily integrity is not a part of the constitution. The framers gave us a vehicle to change that if it is the will of the people by amending the constitution. I'm in full favor of that, and for the time being I respect that the current interpretation is the right to keep and bear arms.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby zhyla » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:19 am

I’m glad we are finally settling gun control once and for all in this thread. C’mon guys, there are lots of other places to argue politics out there.

Nice to see Knife Rights getting some press.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby TomAiello » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:01 am

zhyla wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:19 am
C’mon guys, there are lots of other places to argue politics out there.
+1000.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby KnickKnackCity » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:25 am

snapshot2017 wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:25 am
What would help to get knife laws changed the people that have companies making knives in their states, like for example Spyderco would get their state of Colorado to stop forcing their citizens to obtain a firearm concealed carry permit to carry an automatic knife.
Just to clarify Colorado has never had such a requirement. Our concealed carry permits only cover handguns and anyone over the age of 18 can carry an automatic knife less than 3.5 inches. This was a recent lifting of that restriction referenced in the article. My guess is that Spyderco has and continues to give pro-knife rights input whenever applicable during legislative session.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby brainfriction » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:41 pm

It's good to see some of these draconian knife laws being taken off the books. Most of the knife laws out there are beyond stupid anyway, especially the bans on autos/switchblades. I can flick my PM2 open just as fast as any switchblade, maybe we should ban thumbstuds, flippers, and Spyder holes too??? lol.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:17 pm

tvenuto wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:08 am
Omigosh, what a great idea! Why didn’t Spyderco think of using their immense political clout to further the cause of knife rights???
I used to hope that all of the knife companies, Spyderco, Cold Steel, Kershaw, and others, would all come together in unison, and draft some official white paper or something that would be a collection of every logical and rational pro knife argument, and they would submit this to the various government authorities, who would then put that into law, and once and for all strike down all anti knife legislation. Sadly I have not seen that happen, at least yet. Can that ever happen like that or not likely?

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:20 pm

Daveho wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-
If I may ask, when it comes to knives in particular, who should and who should not be allowed to carry a knife regardless of whatever type, or, should there be limits on blade shapes, sizes, etc for certain persons? I am not baiting. I am sincerely curious as to your view.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:21 pm

The Meat man wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:54 pm
JD Spydo wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:38 pm
Daveho wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-
But the exact same logic could apply for nut-jobs in extremely draconian legal environments where guns are highly restricted. That to me is like saying that no one should even drive a car or truck because of all the people that end up losing their lives or end up in wheelchairs because of some bozo who drank a pint of Jack Daniels and got behind the wheel of a vehicle. And that happens daily in the USA unfortunately. Far more people get killed, hurt or permanently disabled in motor vehicles than do with guns, knives or any type of weapons. But yet you don't hear of anybody in spite of their political leaning calling for "Car Control" laws. And there is a lot more reasons to seek Car Control laws than there are for GUN CONTROL for instance.

Well said JD.


There is no end to it, using that logic. So anything that might conceivably be used to harm someone should be banned? People have been murdered with screwdrivers. Should we ban or restrict screwdrivers, even though the vast majority of screwdriver owners use their tools responsibly?
Absolutely well said, Meat Man and JD. It is a true slippery slope as they call it. Very dangerous doors open to close off the freedom of the individual when a tool can be blamed for bad behavior.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby sal » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:07 pm

We try to avoid politics here. Right? Knife people come in all political tribes and variations. Do I have a personal opinion, of course. I'm a political junky. We all have our opinions and they are surely all over the board. But we don't do it on the Knife forum. Right?

We can discuss knife rights because it's a knife subject forum. You can't accidentally knife your neighbor while cleaning your knife. Some areas of knives may share some areas with guns, eg; defense, but you can't slice your tomatoes with a gun, shoot open a seat belt, or carve with a 22.

Let's pay attention to that, OK?

Knife rights and American Knife and Tool are doing a good job of trying to keep knifes laws realistic. ( I was a founding member of AKTI ) Spyderco supports them and you should as well so the US doesn't end up woth laws like Canada, the UK, Denmark or Australia, where knife laws are not realistic. That's what you get when you have the nuns running the whore house.

Pay attention to what's going on in your country. Learn about your representatives. Vote your representatives with your beliefs. Speak your political beliefs (except on this form :p ). Do your own thinking and don't be a brainwashed media mooch. We are, in the US, currently too divided to even have an intelligent conversation about the issues. Your kind understanding and cooperation is appreciated.

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby Daveho » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:19 pm

SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:20 pm
Daveho wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Because while most exercise the correct caution but those that don’t cause dire consequences for innocents-
If I may ask, when it comes to knives in particular, who should and who should not be allowed to carry a knife regardless of whatever type, or, should there be limits on blade shapes, sizes, etc for certain persons? I am not baiting. I am sincerely curious as to your view.
Let’s be real here, the day to day use of a knife is very plausible-
People work in industries that require knife useage from the warehouse staff to the butcher and fishermen, someone who dosnt work in these industries may also have a knife with the for food preparation, opening parcels or other general utility uses- to my mind this justify reasonably sized knife
In no way is a knife or absurdist extremes like screwdrivers the same thing, these have legitimate uses that a large number of people encounter,
Speaking in general terms most People who carry fire arms arnt using them In the same way-

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Re: Overturning of Knife Restrictions

Postby sal » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:23 pm

Seems to me that I'm not being heard. We do not discuss gun vs anti gun issues on this forum. Dave, can you hear me?

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