Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

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Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby kirill.sergueev » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:22 pm

I apologize for my first posting on the board. I am fascinated with Spyderco Civilian design and I bitterly want to add it to my small collection but when I ask about it in my local knife store the store owner said that he does not have it in his inventory, since it is not a knife but rather a self defense weapon, and it cannot be used for EDC tasks because it voids the warranty. Just curious why not? It seems to me be a perfect tool to cut boxes open and other everyday needs around house. I also do not want to break any law about knife ownership since those laws can be confusing and I do not want to carry it outside the house. Just curious is it fragile and easy to break while performing light duty?

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby kirill.sergueev » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:47 am

Actually I am also curious would Spyderco sharpen the Civilian if it gets dull due to non self defense use?

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Wanimator » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:10 am

They're known to have fragile tips and they don't want to deal with inevitable breakage from the way an average joe may use it.

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby FK » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:21 am

I had a C12 Civilian in the early 1990's,,, was always concerned about the weak tip breaking and did not use it very often.

Suggest a Spyder Hawk, less expensive and has thicker tip with H1 steel. Essentially the same blade shape and size as C12.

Yes, Spyderco will sharpen the SE blade for a small fee.
Or better yet, invest in the Spyderco Sharpmaker which is designed to sharpen the SE blade configuration.

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Evil D » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:01 am

I believe the Matriarch is a bit thicker but maybe still not the best choice for utility use.
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Sharp Guy » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:29 am

kirill.sergueev wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:22 pm
....the store owner said that he does not have it in his inventory, since it is not a knife but rather a self defense weapon, and it cannot be used for EDC tasks because it voids the warranty....
First, welcome to the Spyderco Forums.

I'm not sure the store owner is completely correct here. I'm pretty sure Spyderco would apply their warranty policy to the Civilian just like they would any other knife. You can use it for EDC tasks. Just be mindful of the fragile tip when using it. If you do happen to break the tip off don't expect Spyderco to replace the knife under warranty. If you like the knife then buy it. Go ahead and use it for light edc tasks and enjoy it. Just have realistic expectations if something happens to it.
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby snapshot2017 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:42 am

I would call it more of a rescue knife then a defense knife.

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Evil D » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:00 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:29 am
kirill.sergueev wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:22 pm
....the store owner said that he does not have it in his inventory, since it is not a knife but rather a self defense weapon, and it cannot be used for EDC tasks because it voids the warranty....
First, welcome to the Spyderco Forums.

I'm not sure the store owner is completely correct here. I'm pretty sure Spyderco would apply their warranty policy to the Civilian just like they would any other knife. You can use it for EDC tasks. Just be mindful of the fragile tip when using it. If you do happen to break the tip off don't expect Spyderco to replace the knife under warranty. If you like the knife then buy it. Go ahead and use it for light edc tasks and enjoy it. Just have realistic expectations if something happens to it.


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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Sharp Guy » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:36 am

^ Yeah, I thought I remembered something about a warning that was included with knife. I still think my post is valid. Technically the store owner is correct. If the OP breaks the tip off their knife they shouldn't expect Spyderco to fix it under warranty. I think that's true with any of their knives. However, if the OP is using the knife to open boxes and the knife develops another problem (unrelated to the tip of the blade) I'd find it hard to believe that Spyderco wouldn't evaluate the issue and apply their warranty policy like they would for any other model.

For example, if the OP sends his Civilian in to W&R because there's a problem with pivot. The person who's doing the evaluation finds tape residue on the blade. I'd find it hard to believe that they'd automatically disqualify the knife for any warranty repairs because there's evidence that the knife was being used to open packages.
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Evil D » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:56 am

Either way it's enough that I'd just choose a different knife for the job.
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Larry_Mott » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 pm

I can't see any reason why you'd want a Civilian as a everyday use folder. It's a one trick pony, and its trick has *hopefully* nothing to do with everyday activities..
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby ZrowsN1s » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:30 pm

I have a friend who uses a Matriarch 2 for edc. Hasn't had any problems, the tip is a little worn down and there are plenty of scratches, but it works great. He uses a Sharpmaker to maintain it.

I don't see why you couldn't use a civilian for EDC. As others have said just be aware that the tip will most likely be worn down with use, and a small piece may even break off. But even if it does, the knife should still keep on cutting stuff.

Matriarch might be a cheaper and better option than the civilian. But if you really want one, go for it, just remember to mind the tip.
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Vivi » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:39 pm

I'd suggest the Spyderhawk. It's still a big blade with a pointy tip, but in a lighter, more compact package that's more EDC friendly. The tip is thicker, and H1 is an incredibly tough steel. It's also cheaper.

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Hgwxx7 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:48 pm

If you want a reverse s blade, why not a Lil' Matriarch? Relatively reasonably priced, albeit rare, on the secondary market.

Since we are talking about EDC H1, how about the C28SYL2HB Dfly 2 Hawkbill?
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby kodai78 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:37 pm

I think it would make an Okay EDC, but might result in raised eyebrows among non-knife people. I also think there’s plenty of EDC choices in more conventional blade shapes that you’re not going to have to remember to be careful of the tip while you’re using it. If you do decide to EDC the Civilian it would be interesting for you to share how it works out.
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby MichaelScott » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:46 pm

You could, and one could also use a sawed-off twelve gauge to hunt dove. Why would you want to?
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby kirill.sergueev » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:58 pm

Thank you all. Like I said I love Civilian design and its look. And I was thinking to add it to my small collection. But since "collection" of knifes is kind of pointless, I like to use them from time to time for EDC on the rotation basis. But since I have no opportunity to hold it in hands before purchasing and its price is pretty high I would like to figure out if it is as delicate as it is positioned by Spyderco (for self defense only). Would its tip withstand box cutting type of abuse? If it fells on the ground would it gets snapped? How much care should it be taken to avoid knife damage?

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby holeshot » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:53 pm

The Civilian is indeed a "one trick poney". Albeit a very cool one and that's the major reason I bought one. It is clear from the enclosed paper work that Spyderco never intended it to be used as an EDC knife. So if you buy one keep that in mind. Also check out the YouTube videos of the Civilian slicing through multiple water bottles, their a hoot! :)
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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby garret » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:21 pm

La etiqueta que le acompaña a la mia lo dice, no es adecuado para edc, la punta es demasiado fina y la mínima torsión seguramente la romperá. Con el grillo o Lil matriarch no tendrías esos problemas.

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Re: Spyderco civilian why not EDC?

Postby Sharp Guy » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:03 pm

garret wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:21 pm
La etiqueta que le acompaña a la mia lo dice, no es adecuado para edc, la punta es demasiado fina y la mínima torsión seguramente la romperá. Con el grillo o Lil matriarch no tendrías esos problemas.
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