Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Discuss Spyderco's products and history.

Which of these steels would you buy a Manix 2 XL Sprint/Exclusive in?

CPM-3V
23
10%
CPM-4V (or Vanadis 4 Extra aka V4E)
33
15%
CPM-CRUWEAR
33
15%
CPM Rex 45
31
14%
52100
13
6%
CPM-M4
24
11%
Maxamet
15
7%
S110V
6
3%
M390
22
10%
Would NOT buy a Manix 2 XL in any steel...not for me
20
9%
 
Total votes: 220

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:35 am

Mattysc42 wrote:
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Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote:
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While I’m not against a sprint in cruwear or 3v, they don’t offer anything s30v doesn’t for me. I’d prefer to see a sprint in something more wear resistant first, like 4v, m4, or an a11 class steel.
Hmmm this has not been my experience at all.

M4 more wear resistant than Cruwear? S30V in the same class as Cruwear? Not in the brand New Militaries I have had each with factory fresh blades.

So far Cruwear is outlasting both of those steels and neither of them were anywhere near as as sharp. The next closest I have noticed to Cruwear has been CTS-XHP followed by M4.

It would be neat to explore 4V from some of the recent posts I have read.
Are you sure you’re sharpening them properly without leaving a negative burr? S30v, xhp and cruwear are all nearly identical when cutting gritty abrasives when fully apexed, though cruwear and xhp are easier to debur. None of them will cut more than a few hundred feet of gritty industrial cardboard before being completely dull, and last less than an hour of work for me. M4 lasts around 4.5 hours, and 10v and zdp last a day, and maxamet lasts 2. All at 15dps, and treetopping sharp to start.
“Factory fresh blades” comparison is pre sharpening. Also not working in an industrial environment just everyday usage packing boxes some double walled stuff mostly single wall,plastics used in packaging opening, some food prep. The thing I am looking for is continued razor sharpness through paper to see which is holding better.

Yes for my usage if you get right down to actual need any steel will do and so will a Victoronix pocket knife but the superior cutting steel that holds a truly sharp edge longer and is easy to touch up is what I prefer not need, so I buy Spydercos.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Mattysc42 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:03 pm

Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ...
Oops. Yeah, I missed the factory fresh part. That said, I’ve never had lasting results with any factory edge.

The best I had was my maxamet native, but even that dulled several times faster than the edges I put on my knives.

Even so, if the edge has a clean apex, and no burr or excessively stressed steel, the loss of razor sharpness happens in a smooth curve while cutting. If the sharpness drops suddenly when you haven’t impacted something like glass or steel, you have either bad heat treatment, or bad sharpening. Edge chipping when not prying with a knife is nearly always a result of poor sharpening techniques, except in extremely high carbide steels impacting hard surfaces.

Higher carbide volume steels will lose razor sharpness slower than lower carbide steels, which is why zdp holds a razor edge longer than any production steel short of maxamet, though carbide type and finish can have a large effect as well depending on what’s being cut.

For most cutting applications, Xhp will be razor sharp longer than s30v, which will hold razor sharpness longer than cruwear. Cruwear will be easier to bring back to peak sharpness.

Of course, if any of the steel gurus and master knife makers believe I’m wrong, by all means, please chime in (larrin, xplorer, and BBB I’m looking at you ;) ). I’m always happy to learn. Most of this post is based on a couple thousand hours of sharpening practice and experimentation on a wide variety of steels I’ve had in the last five years or so, and research into steels in general. However, I’m not a professional metallurgist.
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Top 5 steels I’ve owned: LC200N, K390, CPM S90V, M390, CPM M4.
Top 3 steels I want more of: M390 class, A11 class (including K390), serrated LC200N.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:33 pm

Mattysc42 wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:03 pm
Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ...
Oops. Yeah, I missed the factory fresh part. That said, I’ve never had lasting results with any factory edge.

The best I had was my maxamet native, but even that dulled several times faster than the edges I put on my knives.

Even so, if the edge has a clean apex, and no burr or excessively stressed steel, the loss of razor sharpness happens in a smooth curve while cutting. If the sharpness drops suddenly when you haven’t impacted something like glass or steel, you have either bad heat treatment, or bad sharpening. Edge chipping when not prying with a knife is nearly always a result of poor sharpening techniques, except in extremely high carbide steels impacting hard surfaces.

Higher carbide volume steels will lose razor sharpness slower than lower carbide steels, which is why zdp holds a razor edge longer than any production steel short of maxamet, though carbide type and finish can have a large effect as well depending on what’s being cut.

For most cutting applications, Xhp will be razor sharp longer than s30v, which will hold razor sharpness longer than cruwear. Cruwear will be easier to bring back to peak sharpness.

Of course, if any of the steel gurus and master knife makers believe I’m wrong, by all means, please chime in (larrin, xplorer, and BBB I’m looking at you ;) ). I’m always happy to learn. Most of this post is based on a couple thousand hours of sharpening practice and experimentation on a wide variety of steels I’ve had in the last five years or so, and research into steels in general. However, I’m not a professional metallurgist.
:) Thanks more info is always welcome and I learned a few things from this post. Much Appreciated.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Ez556 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:12 am

I was just day dreaming about a 3V/4V DLC Manix 2 XL with coyote or OD green scales and was thinking of making a thread about it, and lo and behold I found this thread where 4V/V4E are the most prefered too! Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd just revive this one to voice my interest as well in a tough, DLC Manix 2 XL as a sprint run from Spyderco. It would be one heck of an outdoors folder.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby TomAiello » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:31 am

St Nick's needs to give the Manix (both standard and XL) their red G10/DLC 4v treatment.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby wrdwrght » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:27 am

I voted 4V, V4E, and Maxamet, but, truth be told, I’m quite happy with my S90V and would prefer these suggested steels in other models.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby ferider » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:34 pm

Ez556 wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:12 am
I was just day dreaming about a 3V/4V DLC Manix 2 XL with coyote or OD green scales and was thinking of making a thread about it, and lo and behold I found this thread where 4V/V4E are the most prefered too! Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd just revive this one to voice my interest as well in a tough, DLC Manix 2 XL as a sprint run from Spyderco. It would be one heck of an outdoors folder.
Thanks for reviving the thread ! There is a Manix XL sprint request every couple of weeks on this forum, but unfortunately the Spyderco gods stay silent.

To be honest, I'd buy an XL in any of the above steels, except 52100, M390 and S110V (last two too similar to my S90V).

I'd buy a K390 version too. Just saying :)

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby jdw » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:57 pm

I wish that Spyderco would make another run of S90V. I love the platform, it's my preferred stainless, and I missed out on the first time around. REX45 would be good by me with scales in any color but orange.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby AccountDeletedUserRequest » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:23 pm

I'd give S90V another shot if they ran the XL in it. I missed the original run and I've never seen one cheaper than $300.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Mattysc42 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:17 am

Heck, just run it in blurple/s110v like most of the other full sized Golden folders and people will be rejoice. We need more variety!
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Top 5 steels I’ve owned: LC200N, K390, CPM S90V, M390, CPM M4.
Top 3 steels I want more of: M390 class, A11 class (including K390), serrated LC200N.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby DougC-3 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:30 am

TomAiello wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:31 am
St Nick's needs to give the Manix (both standard and XL) their red G10/DLC 4v treatment.
I'd definitely take the standard M2 in the St Nick's sprint, and would probably get the XL too, but I'd rather have the XL in K390, M-4, or satin 4V with some kind of OD green or brown G-10.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby TomAiello » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am

I think 4v is almost the ideal steel for the XL, at least for my uses.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby DougC-3 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:38 pm

The 4V toughness would probably be best for my uses too, and I would definitely try for a St Nick's sprint if that happens to be the next XL available.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby ZrowsN1s » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:11 pm

I think I'd be in for an XL-Sprint :D Try something new.
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Mattysc42 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:00 pm

A 4v xl would be something I want enough to pay flipper pricing for if I screwed up enough to miss it on release like I did the 4v shaman.
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Top 5 knives I’ve owned: Serrated Caribbean Leaf, Shaman, Manix XL, ZDP-189/CF Caly 3.5, Native LW.
Top 5 steels I’ve owned: LC200N, K390, CPM S90V, M390, CPM M4.
Top 3 steels I want more of: M390 class, A11 class (including K390), serrated LC200N.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby Ez556 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:14 pm

Mattysc42 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:17 am
Heck, just run it in blurple/s110v like most of the other full sized Golden folders and people will be rejoice. We need more variety!
That’s the reason I DON’T wanna see S110V... variety! Everything else is available in the same few steels... S30V, S110V, Maxamet... I wanna see specific models get specific steels to complement the model. Cruwear and Micarta matches the Shaman perfectly. I think 4V would be a perfect match for the Manix 2 XL. It’s a big, beefy working knife and it deserves a tough working steel!
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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby glutofknives » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:29 pm

I guess this one doesnt get a lot of love because of sales, but I bet some cruwear and gray g10 would make it fly off the shelves.

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Re: Poll: Preferred steel choice(s) for a Manix 2 XL Sprint or Exclusive?

Postby JonnyBlades » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:39 am

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned LC200N. I know it's generally reserved for "salt" knives, but I think it would fit an outdoor knife like the Manix 2 XL that is more likely to be exposed to the elements quite well. I would definitely pick one up anyway. I know I'm dreaming with my #1, but my top 3 steels for this knife would be:

#1 - Vanax 37
#2 - 4V
#3 - LC200N


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