Sal, getting back to this:
sal wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:58 pm
Many in business think that the way they think others do business is the same as the way they do business because of the values they apply to their own business. Perhaps you need to learn more about "the Spyderco Way" of doing business? And I am happy to answer any questions you might have.
You make a great point. But as consumers, there are things we love about Spyderco's value system that seem applied inconsistently. That's the "frustrating" (a bit of an exaggeration, but it's the closest descriptor) part of buying a Spyderco for some people. You cater to enthusiasts with exceptionally refined taste.
We use the laminate in the Taichung factory because they have it available and it does save a few dollars. What surprises me is that some choose to think that we are somehow being deceptive or hiding something, or doing something we shouldn't be doing?
It's tricky, and I don't envy your position reacting to the whims of enthusiasts and collectors.
I don't feel as strongly about this as the OP, but I do think it's a valid question and that well-meaning Spyderco loyalists are acting in bad faith when they say it's silly to ask about the rationale or ridiculous to call it "cost cutting."
Is it rude? Maybe. Hope it doesn't come across that way from me, though certainly I have heard criticism of this handle material in less-than-fair terms. I'd rather discuss it here in Spyderco's house where you have a chance to respond than just go back and forth with silly cynics in other corners of the community.
On the whole, I think it's been amazing to see the number of different CF textures and patterns you've found. I haven't bought many recent Taichung models with CF, so I don't have all the examples, but the examples I do have are both functional and attractive because of the dimensional nature of the weaves. People don't often give credit there when they complain about the laminate.
That said, just having a decorative surface layer, when G10 would have made a knife just as functional and (possibly) even more affordable, it cancels out the aesthetic value for some of us. The Tenacious is a good example. For me, the red checker G10 looks even better than the CF laminate. Maybe some prefer the look of the CF weave, and that's fine. I don't expect to see intricate toolpaths on an affordable folder, nor expensive carbon fiber, but I'd prefer affordable surface texturing to affordable material that looks like something it isn't underneath the surface.
If the diamond ring example is a bit too close to home/extreme...
I don't like veneer on furniture, either, though obviously I tolerate it on some pieces because I'm not rich. I'm happier with good veneer over bad, but I prefer paint or even finished plywood to a veneer, if I can get it.
In the knife world, Spyderco seems to be (may not be, but seems to be) the first manufacturer to use a laminate CF. If we draw an analogy to furniture: Spyderco is making some desks out of plywood, some out of mahogany, and a few out of plywood with mahogany veneer. Some of us would prefer the plywood to the veneer, you make exceptionally well-finished plywood and it doesn't need to be hidden.
I have a Blue Sage 3, and I would feel a bit sad if I had to replace it with a CF model. (I love the charitable cause association there, BTW, but I prefer that seamless blue.)