I stole the verbage of the last two sentences from Cormac McCarthy in his book Blood Meridian.
Cormac Mccarthy wrote:It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.
Absolutely agree. I certainly didn't mean to imply that the facts of the matter absolve us from doing the best we can to safeguard against unnecessary dangers. However, and I'm sure you agree, "the best we can" must err on the side of personal freedom and responsibility. Otherwise I'm afraid that we're headed for our own individual matrix-style goo-pods. And I'm sure EVERYONE here can agree that the impetus behind these kinds of laws is far less about making the world safer and far more about making a splash for the people that get them passed.sal wrote: Continual refinement is our evolutionary obligation to humankind.
ChrisinHove wrote: What I wonder about is why we are seeing more disproportionate & extreme violence (in certain areas and demographics).
We are not talking desperate poverty or need, a reaction to oppression, or a fight for freedom, just a sub-culture shift to intolerance and a desire to maim and/or kill in altercations that a few years ago would probably have just resulted in a few punches.
I see what you mean. Regardless of the nefarious motives, that is the motive for some, and, the claimed ideal they use to try and ban these things. But the problem, Michael my friend, is that, short of Heaven and sinless people who would never dream of assaulting others, you and I know the sad reality is, on this Earth this will not be achieved. And even if some society attempted to apply draconian measures through technology and laws to do it, it will not work. They need to go after specific abusers of tools and weapons and not the weapons and tools themselves.
Having seen this coming about 6 months ago, I promptly sold 130 of my collection, keeping only those real users, UK legal slipjoints or sentimental value pieces that I can live with essentially having zero ability to replace.
You aren't going to get anywhere arguing for a reasonable pro-knife law-making approach in the UK.....not when the tabloids are screaming "won't somebody think of the children!?"SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:44 amdemoncase, sal, Michael, and others here and also critter if you can read this thread: Here is a question. Because human beings tend to be inherently greedy, could the following be a useful argument to use in favor of we knife people around the world, in response to these bans, or, would it fall on deaf ears or not have much of an emphasis in their eyes? Here is what can be said to them: "By banning the production and sale of these and other knives, you are negatively impacting a potentially lucrative and large market, that you can all benefit from economically. If you instead craft laws that are pro knife and encourage the production, sale, manufacturing, and distribution of knives, cutting tools, and edged weapons, you become richer and more popular in the eyes of the people across the board: 1 You will get credit for creating and helping to expand the job market in these areas and 2 You can personally benefit well by making money off the knives and their sales and the advertising that goes along with it.
In short, if these politicians and other law makers could someone benefit from the production and sale of knives, would that cause them to reverse these knife bans in the UK and USA, Canada, and other places, or, would even appealing to their personal self-interest for greed and fame not work out in favor of the pro knife people?