Spyderco Titanium BLADED knives?
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Spyderco Titanium BLADED knives?
Can we ever expect to see Spyderco produce titanium BLADED knives? I am not meaning handles. I mean actual blades made of some of the new titanium alloys that exist.
In one advertisement for a knife, a company claimed there are now new Beta Titanium alloys that can be hardened to the RC 60-61 level. Is that true? If that is true that means these are superior to even many stainless steel blades.
I understand that Lc200N and H1 steel gives you steel that does not rust while still being steel but is there any interest in functional titanium bladed Spyderco folders and fixed blades?
In one advertisement for a knife, a company claimed there are now new Beta Titanium alloys that can be hardened to the RC 60-61 level. Is that true? If that is true that means these are superior to even many stainless steel blades.
I understand that Lc200N and H1 steel gives you steel that does not rust while still being steel but is there any interest in functional titanium bladed Spyderco folders and fixed blades?
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Titanium is not cheap. With the options now available in H-1 and LC200N, I doubt there would be much point in making an all-titanium model, especially if it costs two or three times as much.
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Agreed, except for job specific knives that need to be non-magneticThe Meat man wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:01 pmTitanium is not cheap. With the options now available in H-1 and LC200N, I doubt there would be much point in making an all-titanium model, especially if it costs two or three times as much.
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I personally think there’s enough space to explore with steel alloys. As you said Spyderco has already put a ton of effort into developing corrosion resistant alloys. And hardness alone doesn’t tell the whole story so careful making conclusions just on that number.
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Some1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:03 pmAgreed, except for job specific knives that need to be non-magneticThe Meat man wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:01 pmTitanium is not cheap. With the options now available in H-1 and LC200N, I doubt there would be much point in making an all-titanium model, especially if it costs two or three times as much.
That is true. It would be a pretty small niche market though.
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Exactly. We're only just starting develop nitrogen based steels. I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more options down the road in this area.
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Very true. It really is amazing. Many years ago I was having a discussion with someone who claimed to have machinist and metallurgical knowledge, and he told me "Steel is at its final peak point, it is at its end. There is no more room for new alloys. We have discovered all there is to know about steel." and then what happens? H1. Lc200n. And all the other numerous new ones such as powder metallurgy based alloys.tvenuto wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:03 pmI personally think there’s enough space to explore with steel alloys. As you said Spyderco has already put a ton of effort into developing corrosion resistant alloys. And hardness alone doesn’t tell the whole story so careful making conclusions just on that number.
And that does not even scratch the surface when it comes to molecular integration of nano fibers and other materials into steel.
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SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:12 pm
Very true. It really is amazing. Many years ago I was having a discussion with someone who claimed to have machinist and metallurgical knowledge, and he told me "We have discovered all there is to know about..."
Never believe someone who says that. :D
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Honda said that about 2 strokes.... Liars.SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:12 pmVery true. It really is amazing. Many years ago I was having a discussion with someone who claimed to have machinist and metallurgical knowledge, and he told me "Steel is at its final peak point, it is at its end. There is no more room for new alloys. We have discovered all there is to know about steel." and then what happens? H1. Lc200n. And all the other numerous new ones such as powder metallurgy based alloys.tvenuto wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:03 pmI personally think there’s enough space to explore with steel alloys. As you said Spyderco has already put a ton of effort into developing corrosion resistant alloys. And hardness alone doesn’t tell the whole story so careful making conclusions just on that number.
And that does not even scratch the surface when it comes to molecular integration of nano fibers and other materials into steel.
How would a Ti blade behave? Would it be a Ti alloy?
I would hate to see the price.
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We've done quite a bit of testing. Have not been impressed enough to make one. Some one would have to convince me with real performance., not talk.
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Personally I can't see any advantages that a "titanium" blade would have. Now some time back BOKER had one in their line up of culinary blade. They said that the titanium blade with the exotic coating it had made it highly resistant to bacteria. Also most titanium alloys would be fairly easy to sharpen and that would bode well for a kitchen/chefs knife.
On the other hand I've heard that there are types of titanium coatings that would do well on many different types of fixed blade knives and especially kitchen knives.
On the other hand I've heard that there are types of titanium coatings that would do well on many different types of fixed blade knives and especially kitchen knives.
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I have a few "Beta" ti knives from Mission. It performs kind of like the 420j "surgical steel" knives and just better than the pot metal pakistan knives sold two for a dollar at the dollar store that don't seem to be heat treated at all. Not up to the level of "440 stainless" knives so available on todays market. The titanium does not sharpen on my stones like 420j though. It is more abrasive wear resistant and does not burr up and snap off like the steel knives. It is a different feeling than steel.
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Currently doing a review on Bladeforums and a few others on kitchen knives that use diamond particles in a titanium matrix.
One of these already was tested by a professional Chef in a commercial kitchen.
Google Diamond Titanium knives if you're interested.
The knives are made by the same Japanese company Forever who also made the knives for Boker several years ago, and they still make them under their own name.
Just as the diamond titanium knives these don't have some form of coating but use various ceramic particles (among which CBN) in a titanium matrix.
I did a review on this type several years ago, also on Bladeforums.
Both types also use silver particles for it's active anti-bacteriological properties.
One of these already was tested by a professional Chef in a commercial kitchen.
Google Diamond Titanium knives if you're interested.
The knives are made by the same Japanese company Forever who also made the knives for Boker several years ago, and they still make them under their own name.
Just as the diamond titanium knives these don't have some form of coating but use various ceramic particles (among which CBN) in a titanium matrix.
I did a review on this type several years ago, also on Bladeforums.
Both types also use silver particles for it's active anti-bacteriological properties.
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I've also played with ti in sharp objects and I wasn't impressed. Ti is a great metal but it's just not for blades.
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I use a stiletto type ti dive knife not for cutting, but for braining speared fish. Still holding out for a smaller Fish Hunter, hopefully this year as the cutting edge would provide more confidence for emergency situations. 2-7/8" blade?
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HI Roger,
No plans for a smaller one. You might regrind an H1 Enuff?
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No plans for a smaller one. You might regrind an H1 Enuff?
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FYI on the magnetism thing. I made a titanium sign for a show, 1" x 3". I put it ion my pocket with nothing else in any of my pockets. I walked through a metal detector at the court house to test the material and the Ti was picket up. Just saying.
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But will a neodymium stick to it? The metal detectors bounce a signal, theyre not an attractor. Does Spyderco do any research with SM-100/HipTiNite or Talonite?
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Hi AGMartinez,
Not for magnetism or metal scanners.
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Not for magnetism or metal scanners.
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