Some1 wrote: ↑
Thu May 31, 2018 1:48 pm
10 dps s30v with a .115" spine and .030 behind the edge will not out cut a knife with a tougher and harder blade that's 15 dps, .010 behind the edge, with a .100" spine. It just won't. In edc use, anyway. If you narrow it to solely cutting .5" hemp rope then it may but for everyday people it won't. Disagreeing with someone's opinion and asking them to clarify isn't rude, fyi. Well, it may be to people who can't answer up for their opinions.
I thought we were comparing 10DPS to 25DPS?
I'll post a video of my D2 Military in use if you want to see it. Or I can go baton my ~12dps aqua salt.
Some1 wrote: ↑
Thu May 31, 2018 1:22 pm
Vivi wrote: ↑
Thu May 31, 2018 12:54 pm
xceptnl wrote: ↑
Thu May 31, 2018 9:55 am
Evil D wrote: ↑
Thu May 31, 2018 8:58 am
There is an ocean of difference between a thinner edge bevel and a thinner blade grind
Precisely. I would venture to bet money that an Opinel with a 25dps will cut far better than a factory Millie with a 17 or even 12 dps edge.
A Millie with a 10DPS edge will outcut Opinels in most materials. I've EDC'd both.
Not in edc tasks. A milli with s30v at 10 dps per side will fail in most uses.
Maybe with how you use your knives. I EDC'd this D2 Military for 5 years with no edge issues, and I did light chopping with it and never babied it:
If you don't believe me I will post a video of me cutting cardboard, plastic, power cables and chopping branches with it.
For perspective, this CTS204P Military was thinned down consirably compared to the factory edge, yet the bevel isn't even half as wide as that D2 Millie. This one also does fine with EDC stuff and light wood chopping:
Factory edge S30V Military:
Cutting cardboard, apples, cucumbers, cheeses etc., night and day difference. It's like comparing a butter knife to a straight razor.
This S30V Para 2 held up to 5 years of EDC before it started having lock issues. The edge never chipped:
Some very minor tasks it will excel. The primary bevel thickness trumps the secondary bevel angle. It's what it is. You can argue all you want. An opinel in whatever steel it uses will outperform a military in pressure cut testing 9 out of 10 times because it is thinner behind the edge by a significant margin and is fairly thinner at the spine, too.
Doesn't mean the opinel is a better knife. Far from it. But your statements, friend, are inaccurate. Maybe you can preface your statements to make them more accurate? Simply saying thicker s30v at 10 dps will out cut an opinel is bs. That's the truth for most people.
An Opinel ground at 25 degrees per side isn't thicker behind the apex than a Military ground at 10 degree per side. Behind the edge bevel it is, sure, but not right behind the apex. The Military will be more acute at the moment of penetration into the media it's cutting compared to the Opinel, not to mention edge holding advantages you can get in steels the Millie is offered in.
Imagine a 10°DPS wedge being hammered into a log VS a 25°DPS wedge, obviously the former will push through with less resistance. The geometry behind the edge bevel only matters with certain materials. It doesn't come into play if you're slicing 550 cord or opening your mail, but it does if you're dicing 20 potatoes.
You don't sound like a person that carries pocket knives ground at 10°per side. Per the pictures I posted, I am. Why should I value your opinion when I have a decade of first hand experience to go by?