AFI Performance Flash Batch

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AFI Performance Flash Batch Yes or No?

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby sal » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:40 pm

Hi Steelcity,

I think I would prefer to avoid any coatings. They add variables.

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby A.S.O.K.A » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:55 pm

sal wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:40 pm
Hi Steelcity,

I think I would prefer to avoid any coatings. They add variables.

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby steelcity16 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:25 pm

sal wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:40 pm
Hi Steelcity,

I think I would prefer to avoid any coatings. They add variables.

sal

No worries Sal! While I am a blade coating junky, it certainly isn't a deal breaker! :)
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby hambone56rx » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:05 pm

Oh man this thread is getting good!!!

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby soundshaman » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:37 am

Sal, you're amazing. I'll get a high hollow k390 delica for sure. :D

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby ABX2011 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:42 am

Very exciting!

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby PStone » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:07 am

Just a random thought. I am all in for a supersteel. However, it’s the geometry I am solely after. So wouldn’t keeping the steel vg10 put this afi model in more afi hands who are seeking a performance boost from blade geometry, rather than users just looking for that supersteel fix? I understand that k390 or similar would add stability to a thin edge. Or would keeping vg10 also raise the risk of it not selling well? I don’t know. Like I said, just a random thought.
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby ABX2011 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:03 am

VG-10? No thanks. I think we need higher hardness and greater edge stability.

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby curlyhairedboy » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:48 am

This is sounding great!
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby Albatross » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:56 am

DirtMcGirt wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:07 am
Just a random thought. I am all in for a supersteel. However, it’s the geometry I am solely after. So wouldn’t keeping the steel vg10 put this afi model in more afi hands who are seeking a performance boost from blade geometry, rather than users just looking for that supersteel fix? I understand that k390 or similar would add stability to a thin edge. Or would keeping vg10 also raise the risk of it not selling well? I don’t know. Like I said, just a random thought.
I don't think VG10 would work as well with such a thin hollow grind. Some of the tool steels will provide more edge stability and overall strength.
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...But in general, I'm all about high performance, Ergos, safety. That's why I've been accused of "deigning in the dark"...

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby PStone » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:11 pm

Albatross wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:56 am
DirtMcGirt wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:07 am
Just a random thought...
I don't think VG10 would work as well with such a thin hollow grind. Some of the tool steels will provide more edge stability and overall strength.
I understand. And like I said, I am all for a supersteel. I just know there’s going to be buyers of a “k390 Delica” without thought to the thin hollow grind, and its limitations. Then be upset when it fails at tasks a regular delica could handle. Not really sure what that could be though.
But now that I think about it more, that situation is more likely to happen with vg-10. :o
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby Pancake » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:57 pm

Why would VG-10 not work?
VG-10 is used in kitchen knives quite often and it could go to like 60-61 HRC. And, basically, what we want from this AFI knife is a kitchen knife like geometry.
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby Albatross » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:00 am

Pancake wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:57 pm
Why would VG-10 not work?
VG-10 is used in kitchen knives quite often and it could go to like 60-61 HRC. And, basically, what we want from this AFI knife is a kitchen knife like geometry.
Nobody said it wouldn't.
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...But in general, I'm all about high performance, Ergos, safety. That's why I've been accused of "deigning in the dark"...

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby AccountDeletedUserRequest » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:25 am

ABX2011 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:03 am
VG-10? No thanks. I think we need higher hardness and greater edge stability.
Centofante 3 is fairly close to what you guys are asking for here, stock. I used a krein reground Centofante as an EDC for a summer with no issues.

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby Igi964 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:50 am

When it will be Delica, can it be a wharncliffe, please???? It's supposed to be an "high end cuting machine" and wharnie is ultimate work knife already. With higher end steel, very thin edge and overall geometry it will be even better.

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby Pelagic » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:08 am

Interesting idea. I think Michael Christy said something like this in his latest video (some gold class or special edition for the performance nuts). I voted yes.

Steel choice and potentially tweaking HT protocol would arguably be more necessary. You'd want something that is easy to HT for strength/stability on a production level. Spyderco's 4v comes to mind, which I've seen tested at 65HRC. The way they did k390 in the police (also 65 HRC) is a good candidate as well. Spyderco really seemed to knock those out of the park. They should be able to handle extremely thin geometry.

I don't think sales would be an issue.
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby kerrcobra » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:56 am

K390 gets my vote! VG10 wouldn't get me excited at all.

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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby PStone » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:26 am

Vivi wrote:
Centofante 3 is fairly close to what you guys are asking for here, stock. I used a krein reground Centofante as an EDC for a summer with no issues.
I’ve looked at those. I just wish the grind was higher.

Edit:How much does a regrind typically cost for a knife like this?
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby Evil D » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:16 am

It really needs to be more than what the Centofante is. While maybe a better slicer than a Native 5, it isn't anywhere near what a regrind can get me.
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Re: AFI Performance Flash Batch

Postby AccountDeletedUserRequest » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:35 pm

DirtMcGirt wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:26 am
Vivi wrote:
Centofante 3 is fairly close to what you guys are asking for here, stock. I used a krein reground Centofante as an EDC for a summer with no issues.
I’ve looked at those. I just wish the grind was higher.

Edit:How much does a regrind typically cost for a knife like this?
$30-40 back then. He did really good work. He was the one that opened my eyes to low grit edges. I bepieve he finished his edges on a 400 grit belt, and they push cut as well as anything else I had used at the time.


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