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[SF Native]

Quite right^^
Additionally not allowing the general population walk around armed at all times doesn’t constitute communism/socialism...

It is however taking away the right to choose and is a major step towards Communism/Socialism as has been shown in History over and over.

People have the right to protect themselves, they can choose to or not to walk around armed.

Now some think they want a Police State, believe me they really don't understand what they are asking for.

I have seen it 1st hand so I have a very good idea.

We are all influenced by our life experiences. For guys like you and me, communism, threat of nuclear war, etc frame out decisions.
For the young kids coming up, they have lived their whole lives since columbine. They have had active shooter drills every year of being at school. They finish school and there are few jobs. They have few choices in life. Parents have been maybe over protective and teach them that the world is not safe. This is their experience. It influences their choices. Right or wrong. It makes sense.

[Ankerson]

Quite right^^
Additionally not allowing the general population walk around armed at all times doesn’t constitute communism/socialism...

It is however taking away the right to choose and is a major step towards Communism/Socialism as has been shown in History over and over.

People have the right to protect themselves, they can choose to or not to walk around armed.

Now some think they want a Police State, believe me they really don't understand what they are asking for.

I have seen it 1st hand so I have a very good idea.

We are all influenced by our life experiences. For guys like you and me, communism, threat of nuclear war, etc frame out decisions.
For the young kids coming up, they have lived their whole lives since columbine. They have had active shooter drills every year of being at school. They finish school and there are few jobs. They have few choices in life. Parents have been maybe over protective and teach them that the world is not safe. This is their experience. It influences their choices. Right or wrong. It makes sense.

Remember the Nuclear Weapon Drills?

I do remember them very well.

I have also been to the Soviet Union back in the Cold War days.


I also know what it's like to have a Russian Bear fly 100 ft over the Ship I was on, I was on Post at the time and watched it fly over.

For those who don't know the Bear is a Nuclear Bomber.

[Daveho]

Quite right^^
Additionally not allowing the general population walk around armed at all times doesn’t constitute communism/socialism...

It is however taking away the right to choose and is a major step towards Communism/Socialism as has been shown in History over and over.

People have the right to protect themselves, they can choose to or not to walk around armed.

Now some think they want a Police State, believe me they really don't understand what they are asking for.

I have seen it 1st hand so I have a very good idea.

I appreciate what you are saying but swinging from one extreme to to other isn’t the answer, unfortunately I too have seen what it looks like when someone “defends themselves” when knives are involved and really there are no winners.
I can’t say that taking everyone’s weapons or arming everyone is the answer but I know I’ve met my share of people that simply shouldn’t be armed.
The knife law here is that you need a legitimate reason for needing it on you, self defence isn’t considered a good reason to carry one.

[Ankerson]

Quite right^^
Additionally not allowing the general population walk around armed at all times doesn’t constitute communism/socialism...

It is however taking away the right to choose and is a major step towards Communism/Socialism as has been shown in History over and over.

People have the right to protect themselves, they can choose to or not to walk around armed.

Now some think they want a Police State, believe me they really don't understand what they are asking for.

I have seen it 1st hand so I have a very good idea.

I appreciate what you are saying but swinging from one extreme to to other isn’t the answer, unfortunately I too have seen what it looks like when someone “defends themselves” when knives are involved and really there are no winners.
I can’t say that taking everyone’s weapons or arming everyone is the answer but I know I’ve met my share of people that simply shouldn’t be armed.
The knife law here is that you need a legitimate reason for needing it on you, self defence isn’t considered a good reason to carry one.

I understand, I have met more than a few myself who I wouldn't trust with a plasic spork.

But that's not for me to tell them they can or can't.

[Daveho]

Well it depends on your position, if you have been elected to represent your community in government then it’s in the best interest of the people that some arnt armed, in the interest of public safety.
Personally I love my knives but they are work tools not weapons, unfortunately it really does the community a disservice push the image of it being a weapon of self defence in civilian life in my opinion.

[Ankerson]

Well it depends on your position, if you have been elected to represent your community in government then it’s in the best interest of the people that some arnt armed.
Personally I love my knives but they are work tools not weapons, unfortunately it really does the community a disservice push the image of it being a weapon of self defence in civilian life in my opinion.

Law abiding Citizens have the right to keep and bear arms.

I don't see knives in that light, I see them as a tool that can be used as a last ditch weapon when a gun isn't available.

[Daveho]

Fair enough, here in Australia law abiding citizens don’t have the right to bear arms, while we have or own share of issues of course but the incidence of gun and weapon violence generally is much lower.
We have shooters clubs and the like but it’s all very tightly regulated and having grown up that way i don’t know that I’ve have it any other.

[Ankerson]

Fair enough, here in Australia law abiding citizens don’t have the right to bear arms, while we have or own share of issues of course but the incidence of gun and weapon violence generally is much lower.
We have shooters clubs and the like but it’s all very tightly regulated and having grown up that way i don’t know that I’ve have it any other.

Be thankful you live there instead of the UK or England now, what a train wreak.

That said all Countries have their issues however.

[Don W]

Nick I have never quit a job due to a no weapons policy. I am a nurse. i work for the largest privately-owned health care company in the USA. They have a no weapons policy. I just work there. i carry a knife everyday. I have never considered it a problem.
The only job I had where I could not carry a knife was working in the prison system.

[Bloke]

Fair enough, here in Australia law abiding citizens don’t have the right to bear arms, while we have or own share of issues of course but the incidence of gun and weapon violence generally is much lower.
We have shooters clubs and the like but it’s all very tightly regulated and having grown up that way i don’t know that I’ve have it any other.

Be thankful you live there instead of the UK or England now, what a train wreak.

That said all Countries have their issues however.

We are pretty lucky here.

We can’t carry guns strapped to our hips or slung on a shoulder in public but we can buy and shoot any caliber bolt action rifle we like and they’ve even opened up certain national parks to hunt.

I’ve carried a knife since I was a little tacker and legally back then but never for self defence and I’ve never transgressed with one. I’ve duked it out more than once with a knife in my pocket and never ever thought to reach for it. I’ve always figured I’ll get over a touch up if need be whereas going to jail for stabbing someone not so much.

I’ve never been searched except for a couple of times I was locked up for being drunk and disorderly when I was much younger but as always I wasn’t carrying a knife when I went drinking and it’s unlikely I’ll ever be searched or locked up again.

I think if you exercise a little common sense within reason you can likely carry whatever you like in Oz albeit not legally.

[Daveho]

You know what they say about common sense, it comes cheap but ain’t that common.

[standy99]

You know what they say about common sense, it comes cheap but ain’t that common.

And there is not any course's in it at school


On another note

I see the knife world a bit to blame for all the Tactical and Self Defence marketing.

Marketing it as a tool more than a weapon would be smarter.

Watched a show that had a Doctor in a emergency hospital and he's biggest concern was 20 years ago someone would come in with a single stab wound nowadays it's several stab wounds. 20 years ago it was a few a year nowdays it's several a month

[Daveho]

Yep, unfortunately people tend to get these romantised ideas of defending themselves, protecting others and generally being the hero, The reality is the winner of a knife fight dies in a hospital where as the loser dies in the street.
That said learning to fight with weapons has been a passion of mine since I was a kid and don’t feel like it was time wasted but still it dosnt make me feel more comfortable when someone pulls a knife.
This thread has derailed significantly but i have to say I’m very impressed that people have been able to have this discussion in a mature and constructive manner, nice work all.

[peacefuljeffrey]

If you are working for an employer, you do not have the right to carry a knife to your place of work if their policy so states.

I know that you stated this matter-of-factly, but to me it still comes across as agreement.

I simply don’t agree that employers should have the prerogative of rendering employees defenseless. Such policies utterly lack the ability to prevent violent attacks by any person or persons who deliberately violate them. So they’re completely useless. All they do is disarm would-be victims.

[peacefuljeffrey]

I think if you exercise a little common sense within reason you can likely carry whatever you like in Oz albeit not legally.

Really. OK. So what you’re saying is that you’re “free” to sneak around with items that you’ll be prosecuted for if you’re found carrying them.

According to your laws, “you can, but you may not.”

See, that doesn’t fly with Americans.

[standy99]

No issue in Northern Australia. More salt water Crocodiles than people. Up here a teenager can ride down the street with a crossbow as long as it's not loaded ( no driving under the influence drinking laws in a boat, if your silly enough to get drunk in a crocodile infested river good luck to you )

[guywithopinion]

However deplorable the OP's grammar, I have to give him credit for being willing to take a stand that negatively effects him. In addition (and this is key) he at no time insists that you must do the same, nor does he complain about his loss of income.

He calls people sheep for believing in personal property rights. It seems to me to be debatable as to whether that counts as an insistence that we all take the same stand.

If he actually believes in knife rights that deeply, good for him for taking a stand. But he also asked for opinions. To me it seems foolish to so negatively impact one owns' life for something like that. I work hard, am good at my job, and help others be good at theirs. But I don't think for a second my company would notice any financial impact by my leaving. I, on the other hand, would absolutely notice the financial impact.

I work somewhere that has opinions I may not share. I get paid to do a job though, not to espouse those opinions. I bring knowledge, skill, and professionalism, and they bring the rest of the tools needed for me to work. If I felt that I was at personal risk of harm as a result, I would certainly quit. If the OP felt that way, he should definitely quit his job. I think the odds of me being in a life threatening situation at work are astronomically lower than the risk to my life from having no income and no healthcare, though.

[guywithopinion]

Is not just a knife policies look at Walmart or dicks sporting goods they recently pass a policy that they will no longer sell long guns to anyone under 21 or long gun ammunition so at 18 you can go die for the country perfectly fine you can vote etc but you can't buy ammo for your hunting rifle at those stores if you think about it I joined service when I was 18 , did I ever shoot out a school ? No! Because I was taugh better that resolve my mental issues by shooting other people this new century generation is mentally ill I have lots of friends that are 18 and own aR 15 no one of them go and shoot out schools , but because of Walmart policies they can't legally purchase ammo or long gun now at Walmart that's why we need to stand for our rights if federal law and state law says 18 to purchase long guns and long gun ammo then it should be illegal for Walmart or dicks etc to put such an policy in place because they are ffl

I joined the service when I was 19. They had many rules and regulations about what weapons I could carry, as well as when and where I could carry them. Was your time in the service different than that? Did you consider quitting that job on principle? Were they breaking the law or violating the Constitution?

[sal]

Principles and values are ok. Politics and parties re off limits, please.

sal

[Bloke]

I think if you exercise a little common sense within reason you can likely carry whatever you like in Oz albeit not legally.

Really. OK. So what you’re saying is that you’re “free” to sneak around with items that you’ll be prosecuted for if you’re found carrying them.

According to your laws, “you can, but you may not.”

See, that doesn’t fly with Americans.

A little common sense and discretion go a long way here in Oz.

We speak the same language brother but we’re different people with different cultures. One example would have to be the fact that I don’t know anyone here that carries anything other than their wits for self defence. :)