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Re: Employment

Postby MichaelScott » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:55 pm

If companies put Draconian measures in effect for the E employees some of them will quit but more importantly some potential really good ones are not going to work for that company.

A company has the right to sell or not sell items. If the don’t meet the needs of their customers another will.

There are state laws that define where one may or may not legally carry a firearm. In those places that prohibit legal concealed carry, I don’t. Others I do even where “gun free zone” or “no weapons” signs are posted. Should I be discovered carrying in one of those they can ask me to leave and I would. It’s their right to do so.

I think it important to speak intelligently about our rights when necessary. Although some people are so ideologically bound they won’t actually listen they should not be allowed to push their agendas unopposed.
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Re: Employment

Postby demoncase » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:10 pm

I'd care more about pay, benefits, pension, shares, travel distance, career path, prospects and industry sector before I care about what a company allows me to carry in my pockets.....I wouldn't even know about that until I'm through the door with the company handbook in front of me.

100% isn't going to be on my list of interview questions :D

I've worked in places that won't let you take a phone or any recording device in with you.....some that don't allow personal USB sticks....but most have been clear on what is acceptable on the knife front, with most erring on the 'none at all'
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Re: Employment

Postby C99c » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:41 pm

As a Georgia resident with friends and associates in the emergency medical field (I was recently at a class where out of thirty people I believe I was one of only two attendees not so employed) I know that some companies do prohibit "weapons" carry while on the clock.

However, I have not seen or heard of an instance where a pocket knife of "reasonable" size was an issue as it's clearly a useful tool and not a weapon, both in common sense terms and by Georgia's legal definition. I'm sure that there are some EMS companies that are stricter than others, either with new employees or across the board.

At the end of the day it's an employer and private property issue. The OP didn't like the rules so he made a decision based on that.
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Re: Employment

Postby nicktheodore » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:07 pm

Also we aren't real democracy when president is choosen by his party so called congress not us the citizens we can't choose our own candidate

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Re: Employment

Postby Daveho » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:13 pm

You clearly have some ideas on how things should be done, get involved with your local community and work within the system to exact the changes you want in the world bud.

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Re: Employment

Postby 500Nitro » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:20 pm

nicktheodore wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:07 pm
Also we aren't real democracy when president is choosen by his party so called congress not us the citizens we can't choose our own candidate
I could think of a lot worse systems.
And your system has checks and balances.
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Re: Employment

Postby nicktheodore » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:52 pm

That's what I'm doing but what about you what you do ?

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Re: Employment

Postby Daveho » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:00 pm

nicktheodore wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:52 pm
That's what I'm doing but what about you what you do ?
Assuming that was for me?
In Australia we don’t really have the same issues, I carry a knife as I use it at work, it’s not a weapon to me, it’s a tool.
I work within my community through charities and other organisations close to my heart.
Policy isn’t a problem for me so I’m not involved there.

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Re: Employment

Postby kelpie » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:30 pm

attila, it is possible that he was channeling James Joyce Ulysses? benefit of the doubt?

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Re: Employment

Postby Ankerson » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:43 pm

sal wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:04 pm
However you may perceive the Country's direction is going (good or bad) we do have the power to make adjustments. Maybe not as quickly as many of us would like, but we do have that power. But, there are established ways to affect change that is designed to move slowly to avoid lethal errors. Even corruption can be dealt with. Persistence is king!

Values like Honor, Respect, Fairness and Compassion must be part of the equation.

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Hi Sal,

Yeah, all we can do is vote and pray.

We dodged a massive bullet in this past election thankfully.

The next few frankly scare the hell out of me with the current younger ones that will be coming of age soon.

If they get their way we all can forget about all of values this Country was founded on.

I think we all are in serious trouble in the future.

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Re: Employment

Postby anycal » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:02 pm

Ankerson wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:43 pm
sal wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:04 pm
However you may perceive the Country's direction is going (good or bad) we do have the power to make adjustments. Maybe not as quickly as many of us would like, but we do have that power. But, there are established ways to affect change that is designed to move slowly to avoid lethal errors. Even corruption can be dealt with. Persistence is king!

Values like Honor, Respect, Fairness and Compassion must be part of the equation.

sal
Hi Sal,

Yeah, all we can do is vote and pray.

We dodged a massive bullet in this past election thankfully.

The next few frankly scare the hell out of me with the current younger ones that will be coming of age soon.

If they get their way we all can forget about all of values this Country was founded on.

I think we all are in serious trouble in the future.
Sal expressed his values, which I am 100% in agreement with. Curious what the values our country was founded on you speak of.

Things change with time, and as you said, the younger generation has different ideas of how things should work. But fairness and compassion we can all agree on... I hope.
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Re: Employment

Postby Ankerson » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:05 pm

anycal wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:02 pm
Ankerson wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:43 pm
sal wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:04 pm
However you may perceive the Country's direction is going (good or bad) we do have the power to make adjustments. Maybe not as quickly as many of us would like, but we do have that power. But, there are established ways to affect change that is designed to move slowly to avoid lethal errors. Even corruption can be dealt with. Persistence is king!

Values like Honor, Respect, Fairness and Compassion must be part of the equation.

sal
Hi Sal,

Yeah, all we can do is vote and pray.

We dodged a massive bullet in this past election thankfully.

The next few frankly scare the hell out of me with the current younger ones that will be coming of age soon.

If they get their way we all can forget about all of values this Country was founded on.

I think we all are in serious trouble in the future.
Sal expressed his values, which I am 100% in agreement with. Curious what the values our country was founded on you speak of.

Things change with time, and as you said, the younger generation has different ideas of how things should work. But fairness and compassion we can all agree on... I hope.


Yeah Communism/Socialism, that's what they are moving for .... That's NOT a good thing at all.

That's all I am going to say on this as Politics is not an allowed subject.

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Re: Employment

Postby Donut » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:23 pm

I feel like one of the most powerful things we can do as individuals is support the things we like and not support the things we do not like.

Someone from high up at Starbucks doesn't support people carrying guns. I don't think the Starbucks employees where I live care either way, but if you felt strongly about it, you could avoid going to Starbucks. That is one of the strongest ways to show your opinion and if enough people do the same, your Starbucks or a lot of Starbucks or all Starbucks might fold over voicing that opinion.

I feel like a lot of stores could fold and not even know why they didn't succeed. Politicians might not get elected or they might get voted out of their position and they probably have no idea why they got voted out. Just blame it on something stupid like the Russians.


The OP could be working for minimum wage or he could be accounting or upper management. The biggest effect that a business will see is that they don't have enough employees to get their work done. (Or maybe they have enough employees, but the employees aren't doing good work!) They say that employees leave companies because of bad management. That sounds like what happened here.

I do feel like if a restaurant or store told me that I couldn't carry a knife and it were a viable option, I would walk out and never return.

I have mixed feelings about establishments that don't allow knives. I go to concerts and stuff and they usually have security where I know I'm not supposed to carry a knife because it is their property and they don't want me to carry a knife on their property. I feel like if they don't allow me the power to protect myself, if I am walking through a parking lot back to my car and a group of kids or someone with a gun assaults me, that SHOULD be their responsibility because they chose to disarm me. They better provide me with protection to make it back to my car safely. Some concerts do have Police around.
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Re: Employment

Postby RickC27 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:28 pm

This thread has gone way out of pocket from its original posts. Quite the evolution, too much politics now.

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Re: Employment

Postby Ankerson » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:30 pm

clovehitch wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:25 pm
Ankerson, I see that you're trying to help the OP, but you seem to be (I may be wrong here) ignoring the societal and political influence such large corporations possess in this country. The problem certainly isn't limited to the 2 companies.


I really don't what to get too deep into it here, I really don't, but you are right it is more than just 2 Companies.

I was in the Military during the Cold War so this push for Communism/Socialism is a major hot button for me.... And I mean major as in massive.

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Re: Employment

Postby dreadpirate » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:56 pm

Molle Ninja wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:24 pm
If you are working for an employer, you do not have the right to carry a knife to your place of work if their policy so states.
True, but the employee has the right to work elsewhere.

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Re: Employment

Postby dreadpirate » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:59 pm

Ankerson wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:30 pm
clovehitch wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:25 pm
Ankerson, I see that you're trying to help the OP, but you seem to be (I may be wrong here) ignoring the societal and political influence such large corporations possess in this country. The problem certainly isn't limited to the 2 companies.


I really don't what to get too deep into it here, I really don't, but you are right it is more than just 2 Companies.

I was in the Military during the Cold War so this push for Communism/Socialism is a major hot button for me.... And I mean major as in massive.
I am with you. Also, banning knives does not create a safe workplace, it creates a workplace of people that cannot be trusted with knives. Not the same thing. Kind of like a sanitarium.

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Re: Employment

Postby Ankerson » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:15 pm

dreadpirate wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:59 pm
Ankerson wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:30 pm
clovehitch wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:25 pm
Ankerson, I see that you're trying to help the OP, but you seem to be (I may be wrong here) ignoring the societal and political influence such large corporations possess in this country. The problem certainly isn't limited to the 2 companies.


I really don't what to get too deep into it here, I really don't, but you are right it is more than just 2 Companies.

I was in the Military during the Cold War so this push for Communism/Socialism is a major hot button for me.... And I mean major as in massive.
I am with you. Also, banning knives does not create a safe workplace, it creates a workplace of people that cannot be trusted with knives. Not the same thing. Kind of like a sanitarium.
The difference is Private Property vs Public property, the companies can set their own policies as they see fit.

It up to the Employees to choose to work for them or not, people still have a choice.

Now if the Government bans knives that's a whole different ball of wax as in people wouldn't have the choice at all.

Same with a Gun Ban, that takes our choice and our Rights away, Constitutional Rights and that is a problem.

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Re: Employment

Postby Daveho » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:18 pm

Quite right^^
Additionally not allowing the general population walk around armed at all times doesn’t constitute communism/socialism...

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Re: Employment

Postby Ankerson » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:24 pm

Daveho wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:18 pm
Quite right^^
Additionally not allowing the general population walk around armed at all times doesn’t constitute communism/socialism...


It is however taking away the right to choose and is a major step towards Communism/Socialism as has been shown in History over and over.

People have the right to protect themselves, they can choose to or not to walk around armed.

Now some think they want a Police State, believe me they really don't understand what they are asking for.

I have seen it 1st hand so I have a very good idea.


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