Bodog wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:41 pm
Found the thread, yeah, this was the one i was thinking of. 5160 head made in Waccamaw, NC. Council Tools is in Waccamaw, NC. If the heads are being produced in Waccamaw with 5160 steel then I'd assume they're being made by Council Tool. Their velvicut line is made with 5160 steel. Their lower tiered axes are made with 1060. Their contracted Forest Service axes were made with 4140. They make a range of tools for working in the woods.
CT axes and tools were used by the National Forest Service, including their wildland firefighters, for many, many years. The upgraded version of their forest service axe called the bad axe (a boy's axe). I have this version and for what it is trying to be it excels. For a useful sized small felling/limbing axe it is top notch. Comparable with gransfors bruk axes. Different, with a little different end goal, but equally as good. The best axe handle I've seen (and felt). That belongs to a separate review because it seems this handle will not be a velvicut handle.
If Spyderco tapped CT to make these hatchet heads with 5160 then CT is making the heads with the same steel they make their top of the line axe heads with. Hardened likely to somewhere between 52 and 56 RC. Their velvicut axes, at least, get heat treated to about an inch or more back from the edge. Most axes get 1/4 to maybe 1/2 an inch if you're lucky. That extends the useful life of the axe greatly. Think generations instead of one lifetime if you aren't abusive to the tool.
The velvicut bad axe is a really freaking well made axe and if CT is making this hatchet head then it'll be a really good one. With the hammer face on the other side being hardened that'll make an excellent carry and a nice addition to the small market of quality trapper's/camp hatchets. Hopefully the edge is ground better than it appears in the previous pictures provided by Mr. Blonde at the Amsterdam meet. I assume that was just a production sample or maybe photos that don't capture the true bevel angle because the velvicut axe i have is really well done with a stellar geometry. I would have to believe that's why spyderco chose them, among other things. And that they're one of the last wholly made in America tool companies that still produces quality work at competitive prices.
That's all IF they're being made by CT.
And if the sheaths made by CT didn't cut the mustard and spyderco is going with another leather sheath manufacturer then i have ro assume that will be pretty danged good as well because the sheath supplied with my velvicut axe is what i would consider well done.
This sounds super good!
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