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Back locks rule

Postby twinboysdad » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:20 pm

Strong detent is best detent. Sorry guys, back lock is best lock. Lock rock blah blah blah...it never opens in my pocket and is ambidextrous

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby Daveho » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:37 pm

You are entitled to be wrong, which you are :p

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby steelcity16 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:52 pm

Love my Native 5. I wosh they would do G10 (with liners) and/or PPCF versions in Cruwear, 52100, M4, 3V, and 4V. Any of those would be my perfect EDC.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby knivesandbooks » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:59 pm

This past year I found myself prefering backlocks. My top 3 users right now: Native 5, manix 2, Police 5.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby Molle Ninja » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:21 pm

I love the Chaparral FRN ... easily could be the only one ... but here on the couch with me is a titanium framelock ...
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Just more fun to manipulate.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby MichaelScott » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:47 pm

Question: aside from ambidextrous, why would a back lock be superior to a compression lock? I don’t see any advantages.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby Doc Dan » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:19 pm

I also believe the back lock is the best lock. If done right they are stronger than other locks, easier to manipulate under duress, easier to use with gloves on (as has been demonstrated...and a compression lock is not good at all in this regard), fully ambidextrous, safer, does not rely upon a detent, has a bias towards close, and a lot of other things I could think of, all assuming it is a quality made lock.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby zhyla » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:33 pm

CBBL has certain ergonomic advantages but honestly back lock is all you need. Done right and tight there’s really nothing to complain about.

Liner, frame, and compression locks are probably cheaper to make/perfect. I find liner/frame locks to be easy enough to use. They’re fine if you’re not left handed. Compression, I dunno, it seems odd to me but I need to spend more time with one.

CBBL, when it fits in the design, is still my lock of choice.

Also, locks don’t matter that much.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby tonijedi » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:44 am

Doc Dan wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:19 pm
I also believe the back lock is the best lock. If done right they are stronger than other locks, easier to manipulate under duress, easier to use with gloves on (as has been demonstrated...and a compression lock is not good at all in this regard), fully ambidextrous, safer, does not rely upon a detent, has a bias towards close, and a lot of other things I could think of, all assuming it is a quality made lock.
I agree! Sure a compression lock is funnier to use when watching TV, but when it comes to real use nothing beats a back lock.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby APS » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:04 am

Yes I have other locks and enjoy them but mainly carry a backlock, typically one of my Native 5s. Never have to consider it opening unexpectedly regardless of where it gets clipped. Floppy sweat pants, IWB, back pocket with blade spine facing out, never an issue.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby lunde » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:54 am

For me, it is more that "Spyderco" back locks rule, mainly because the Round Hole™ (see https://www.spyderco.com/edge-u-cation/ ... ound-hole/) makes deploying the blade with one hand much easier, and one can usually find a way to close it one-handed. My favorite among them is probably the Native, followed by the Endura, Delica, and Dragonfly in no particular order.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby twinboysdad » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:10 am

MichaelScott wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:47 pm
Question: aside from ambidextrous, why would a back lock be superior to a compression lock? I don’t see any advantages.
A well worn PM2/Yo2 detent can allow a shaken knife to partially open. Search threads with Millies coming open in pocket. Short of the Emerson openers, this is virtually impossible with Spyderco lock backs.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby Evil D » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:10 am

I love a good (respectful) debate so I'll join in. I'm gonna go out on a different limb than probably anyone here will and say my favorite lock might actually be the PLUNGE LOCK. Some of you might have no idea what that is if you don't or can't own any automatics, but it's the lock currently used on the Autonomy.

Self close bias? Well no not exactly. Actually, it's the literal opposite since it wants to stay open. But, once the blade is closed it locks into closed position and doesn't open unless you deliberately open it. You can throw this thing against the wall and it's unlikely to open, and if that's not enough you can lock it closed with the safety.

Gloved operation? Absolutely. The large button provides amazing tactile feedback even in the thickest of gloves. Opening and closing is second nature. It may not drop closed with gravity, but for those who prefer a safer/controlled closing action, this one's for you.

Don't like your fingers in the way of a closing blade? Well you'd have to deliberately put them there since you have to force the blade closed. It's practically impossible for this knife to accidentally close on your fingers. The closing operation is actually very similar in how you might close a back lock, if you're old school like me and close back locks against your thigh.

The biggest down side apart from the legal aspect of autos is that it isn't ambidextrous. However, I find it quite easy to operate with my left index finger in both opening and closing. I'd say it's far easier to operate left handed than a compression lock or liner lock. With all this in mind, I am VERY interested in seeing how the compression lock performs with a side button. It looks like it will function essentially the same but without the auto feature and without locking itself closed the way the Plunge Lock does.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby The Deacon » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:38 am

MichaelScott wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:47 pm
Question: aside from ambidextrous, why would a back lock be superior to a compression lock? I don’t see any advantages.

Strong blade retention when closed vs weak blade retention when closed. Granted, those who love to "flick" will not consider this an advantage, but for those of us who don't it's a big one.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:42 am

I am interested in innovative mechanisms but the Back Lock is my favorite, too.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby ZrowsN1s » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:43 am

twinboysdad wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:20 pm
Strong detent is best detent. Sorry guys, back lock is best lock. Lock rock blah blah blah...it never opens in my pocket and is ambidextrous
I love spyderco backlocks, but best lock? It's in my top 3. For SD knives compression lock is my favorite, don't want a strong bias towards closing on a knife I'm trying to open fast. And the CBBL lock is good for SD and utility.... I do love my Natives, Delicas, and Dragonflys though...
Ok maybe back lock is best, I can't say for sure. I will say that liner locks are worst lock though :D
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby mjdragonfly » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:00 am

Will give my vote to the backlock.
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby TomAiello » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:24 am

For me personally, the CBBL is much easier then a backlock to close with one hand, and that's a important criteria for my EDC uses.

I do use back locks (its my second most used folding lock, after the CBBL) and prefer back lock to comp lock, liner lock or RIL, but I still prefer CBBL whenever I can have it.

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Re: Back locks rule

Postby elena86 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:26 am

“ Back lock is the best lock “ just because it does not rely on a detent ? “ Back lock is the strongest lock “ ? Well ... it’s simply not true. I give you ... Ball Bearing lock :rolleyes:
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Re: Back locks rule

Postby SpyderNut » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:29 am

The Frame Lock, Liner Lock, and Axis Lock are my favorite locks.
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