It's always the question how far one wants to go. Even SAKs can be opened using just one hand in a similar way as you mentioned and still nail-nicks usually are a hint that you can carry the knife without trouble in Germany. Böker hat a line of "carry legal" knives (all knives with a 42 in their name) I think most of these knives can be opened with one hand using some kind of trick or move. But they don't support this feature by any means and that's usually enough (don't let too much of the blade stay out of the handle, don't add a hole that acts as an opening aid etc). I know nobody who ran into trouble with one of these knives. So IMO it would be sufficient to take any THO Spyderco knife and remove the hole in a way that leaves no place to put you finger on the blade in order to open it.sal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:00 pmHi NicoColt, FC Sniper,
Welcome to our forum.
I spent a fair amount of time on the German knife forum trying to come up with a THO locking folder. We could not come up with anything that the forumites there were satisfied with.
1. Any locking knife can be "Spydie dropped" if the blade is exposed enough to grasp with the thumb and index finger.
2. If there is any portion of the blade protruding from the handle enough to get a thumb on, one can learn to one hand open the knife (as I did when I was young with a Buck 110). So plugging the hole does not work.
3. We made a number of knives with very small holes and customers were still able to get enough purchase on the blade to open them with one hand.
4. The models that I have seen that were "approved" by the government, I can open with one hand one way or another.
We would be happy to design and build knife for the German market if we can get a way that really works and the German market would want it. The only thing that I could come up with for the German market was a "Roadie" style model a thin light blade with none of the blade above the handle when closed and only the double dent was exposed at the tip. This along with a very stiff lock-back could work, but the German knife buyers all didn't like the look and I eventually abandoned the project. We can work on a design here if you like, but so far, none of the options suggested would work. A locking knife, by its very nature has less friction/pressure on the blade to keep it closed against: Spydie drops, inertia opening or thumb opening.
How would you accomplish the task?
https://www.messerforum.net/showthread. ... man-market
The German BKA defined the Griploc as a locking knife (due to the easily one handed accessible locking lever at the back of the knife). It would not likely be necessary to go to court because of a non locking, one-hand-opening knife, beacause: 1) the police is, in the first line, able to confiscate each knife, regardless if legal or not 2) you can contradict the fine from authorities, the clerk should know better, check the law and you get your legal OHO-Slipjoint back (so happened e.g. with a Byrd Tern in Bavaria Germany (Source: messerforum.net).NicoColt1911 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:16 am[...]might turn out bad since there is one judgement that deemed the Böker Griploc to be an Einhandmesser because of it's "eleborate mechanic" was "locked by the hand" and "doesn't close when used under normal use conditions". Now IMO this judgement is bullshit and also there is no Spyderco knife has an mechanic as advanced as the Griploc's (even the PITS "only" has a spring that can hook to the blade when you press it) but you never know. Two handed opening knives are much less of a hassle. You can show it to the cops and as long as it doesn't have a black blade or such there is pretty much nothing they can do.
For me that is an advantage. Furthermore I personally prefer big knives that lock and I don't mind two hand opening that much. So it's also a matter of personal preference of course. A two hand opening PM2 would be my dream knife from Spyderco. I will have to see if I can modify a PM2 to fit my needs.
The BKA just stated that it is a one hand opening locking knife without going into detail. The VG Wiesbaden however (who asked the BKA for their opinion in the first place) made it clear that the easily accessible locking lever at the back of the knife doesn't play a role but that the mechanism that prevents the blade to close as long as you hold the knife should be regarded as the lock.
I have to agree. Just an ordinary two hand opening locking knife would be nice.
Something like this...NicoColt1911 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:19 pmI have to agree. Just an ordinary two hand opening locking knife would be nice.
IMO no special treatment is needed. For me it would be absolutely sufficient if it was as much of a two hand opening / one hand opening knife as a Buck 110 or SAK is. Something that was designed as a two hand opening knife but maybe can be opened using some tricks/ weird finger acrobatics.