I've read without registering here for a bit, but figured now was time to make an account. The thread title and much conversation is about taking knives apart in general. The main point Sal seems to make is that people who disassemble knives, reassemble them (poorly or not) and then return them cost the company, and then future customers, money. I read through most of the replies, and I do not believe anybody is defending this behavior. If you take something apart or sharpen it, or in any way modify it from the way it was delivered, and then return it, you are a scumbag.
Scumbags are probably not going to be deterred from their behavior by suggestions, stickied threads, or shaming. Possibly education will help some people who just never realized it was a jerk move, or people who sort of realized it but had some weak rationalization for it in their mind. Nick's video is great, and maybe a two-second sheet of paper at the start of his Spyderco (or any) disassembly videos would help, like he used to do for the "this voids your warranty" and still does for the "this manufacturer gave me the knife free". But this scumbag behavior is totally on the person engaging in it.
Honestly, I feel like once you've taken it out of the package, it is used. I would not want to pay new pricing for something someone carried for a few days and decided they didn't like. But that is neither the direct point, nor the one implied by the "Taking apart knives" title.
I can understand that most knives will never actually need to be disassembled. I have/have had old Western and Ulster knives that can't be disassembled. But they also can't be sent in for warranty work anymore, as the companies no longer exist. The Ulster was a piece of crap with terrible action, and I ultimately gave it away. Possibly if it wasn't pinned I could have improved it. Or maybe ruined it, who knows, but I'd have happily taken that risk. I'm sure Spyderco isn't factoring them not existing into their product plans, but as a buyer I may be.
I don't have a huge knife collection. But I also don't have just one knife, or just the knives I need. I'm maybe a 90-95%er? I have three Manix 2's. One of them is a lightweight. That means it is pinned and I can not take it apart. I'll probably never need to. In spite of preferring a knife I can disassemble, I spent a non-trivial amount of money on one I can't. People buy expensive versions of GEC's or Northwoods or Buck 110's knowing they are pinned and can't be disassembled. That's a viable approach to ensuring knives are sent back to the manufacturer for any service. Me personally, I don't own many traditionals and the only Buck I own has screws holding it together.
One of the Manix 2's I have had some side to side blade play. When closed I could grab the blade spine and wiggle it towards the scales and feel it click slightly. I'm sure Spyderco would have done a bang-up job fixing it and shipping it back to me. Or maybe they would consider it well within their tolerances and shipped it back saying it's no worry, and if so they might be right that it will function a million years as is. But I fixed it myself because I'd prefer it not have that little wobble, not to risk shipping carriers losing it, etc. I never would have sent it back if it was pinned, I would have just sucked it up. It would factor into my next buying decision for sure, though, but not necessarily rule out any next purchase (just as pinned construction didn't rule out my M2LW purchase).
I feel like if Spyderco does something to prevent or hamper disassembly, it will cause some buyers, myself included to second guess future purchases. By the same token, doing nothing and passing on the cost of scumbag behavior will cause some buyers to second guess future purchases. For me personally, say the knife cost is such that it can be sold at $100 MAP either way. In one case it will cost me $120 for the knife and covering the loss created by scumbags. I feel personally I'd be more likely to buy that knife than an otherwise identical knife that was $100 but pinned together. Maybe the additional cost is higher than that or lower, and more or fewer people will be put off by it.
Having said that, if Spyderco can reduce that extra $20 to something lower through some approach that cuts down on scumbaggery without in any way changing the product they offer to the rest of us, I would applaud that effort.
A slight aside, though, is that Spyderco already trusts me to turn a Torx screw on my knives. Because they attached a pocket clip to them with Torx screws (often with thread locker), but gave me 1-3 other places to move the clip to if I so desire. If you really do not want end users to turn a screw, perhaps look into a different attachment mechanism? Or maybe a simpler and uglier fastener like a small phillips, where the expectation isn't that as a typical owner I already own specialty knife tools. That said, I very much like the look of the countersunk screws on Golden models, so I hope it never comes to that.
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