Knives going out of stock in Canada?

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Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Felr2 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:30 am

I've noticed that Amazon and most retailers have ran out of stock on many knives. The remaining ones have jacked up the prices.

Is this because of the new CBSA rule? Are they not able to bring any more folding knives like spydercos into Canada?

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby mjdragonfly » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:46 am

In the last month I have purchased a number of knives from Blades Canada in Vancouver BC so I have been watching there site for the last few months. They now have lots of new 2018 models which are flippers and assisted openers. For businesses I do not think that there is any issue at the present. I am however not so sure that as an individual if I ordered (and imported) a flipper or assisted open knife from the USA that it might not make it through. I cannot afford to take that chance so my purchases will be from Canadian dealers. Crazy thing is that I can buy an 18" Bolo knife no problem but that 3 or 4 inch flipper is somehow dangerous and scary. This is really messed up thinking.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Felr2 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:01 am

mjdragonfly wrote:In the last month I have purchased a number of knives from Blades Canada in Vancouver BC so I have been watching there site for the last few months. They now have lots of new 2018 models which are flippers and assisted openers. For businesses I do not think that there is any issue at the present. I am however not so sure that as an individual if I ordered (and imported) a flipper or assisted open knife from the USA that it might not make it through. I cannot afford to take that chance so my purchases will be from Canadian dealers. Crazy thing is that I can buy an 18" Bolo knife no problem but that 3 or 4 inch flipper is somehow dangerous and scary. This is really messed up thinking.
I really hope that businesses can still import knives without being affected by that rule but Kershaw's website states "This product is only available in the United States. Canadian law currently prohibits the import of flipper/assisted opening knives." on the Skyline product page. And I definitely noticed skyline becoming unavailable in most retailers in Canada recently...

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby mjdragonfly » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:12 am

seems the issue is not the law but rather decisions made by Canada Customs agents. I don't even want to read about it makes my blood boil. Only one way to stop all of this stuff, and that is to get out and vote.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Felr2 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:05 am

sigh I got a reply from Blades Canada saying that they are being affected by the CBSA law... I can't believe my hobby is coming to an end because of something stupid like this.

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Liquid Cobra » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:52 am

Felr2 wrote:sigh I got a reply from Blades Canada saying that they are being affected by the CBSA law... I can't believe my hobby is coming to an end because of something stupid like this.
Can you elaborate on what they said exactly? Or share the email?
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby adancingmonkey » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:35 am

Yes I would also be interested in exactly what was communicated.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby bacmapei » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:39 am

Not to detract from the OP, I'll post part of a reply I received yesterday in response to my question about the Para 3 s90v sprint not being found on the Blades Canada pages:

[/"As you may be aware, recent CBSA importation restrictions have made it difficult to bring in folding knives. While the laws within Canada have not changed, importing to re-stock many of our products has become extremely difficult...........,so we have disabled coming soon products until we have more information and what we can bring inb] *note: some editing for length

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby ThePeacent » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:49 am

on topic, but not the Blades Canada subject,

I have a few Canadian friends on a different forum that have often imported Chinese knives (OHO budget folders, with frame lock, liner lock, "axis" lock and opened with flipper or thumbstud) They've never had an issue with them for years, but this past first week of February they've had the packages stopped at the border. :eek:

The "Notice of Detention" was from CBSA agents, by the member's words:

"The notice advised very briefly that a folding knife was detained under section 101 of the Customs Act and that the goods cannot be imported into Canada until a CBSA officer is satisfied that they comply with the Customs Act etc. etc. Further to that it advised that due to the volume of files it may take 6 to 8 weeks to process the file. It also advised that I was "required to contact the following address concerning the requirements that have to be met".

it seems like they're really serious about spoiling the hobby :(

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Js447 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:37 pm

There was a post about this issue earlier in January. It's become an issue due to the CITT ruling on a case where an individual tried to import five kershaw skylines that were seized, and the subsequent appeal was dismissed. That particular case led to the change in the definition of a "flick knife" Making it applicable to any knife that opens with a flick of the wrist and "some minimal manipulation" of thumb studs or other hollowing or protrusions on the blade. Effectively this has established case law that is applicable to virtually any folding knife in existence. It seems that CBSA has taken to applying this ruling as liberally as possible. At this point individuals have virtually no chance of importing any folding knife. To be clear, the CITT ruling was not a change in the criminal code, but was a change on how the CITT determines the eligibility of a blade for import. Ironically you could ship the separate components across the border and assemble the product in full in Canada and it would be still be a legal folding knife, go figure

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby bacmapei » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:05 pm

My sprint run Para 3 is shipping today from Ontario, so some import shipments are continuing (which makes me happy), but it sounds like a very uneven playing field between retailers and individuals. Thanks to the other forum members for their updates and sharing the information they have.

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby mjdragonfly » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:33 pm

I was talking to Christina at Blades Canada on Monday about a special order of a Boker that they do not happen to have in stock (they have about 500 Bokers in stock). She said they no longer did special orders and we discussed it for a while but she never made mention of not being able to bring in knives from Boker America. They have new some brand new knives in stock, guess they arrived in January or early Feb. This could crush a lot of small businesses in Canada and hurt international suppliers as well and it is all so very unnecessary.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Felr2 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:39 pm

From Blades Canada:

"Unfortunately we have started to be affected by the new restrictions of importation, and we have had to raise our prices across the board in order to preserve our inventory. We understand this is frustrating, as we have worked tirelessly for years to bring you the largest selection and lowest prices in the country. We value our customers very much, and hope that you understand this was a necessary step that we had no choice but to take.

It's all in the early stages so we don't have further information on on what we will be able to bring at this point in time. Please note that the laws within canada have not changed and you can continue to purchase what we have should you choose to."

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Liquid Cobra » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:52 pm

This is absolutely brutal. I’ve sent a letter to my MP but doubt it will accomplish anything.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby adancingmonkey » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:21 pm

knifepocalypse :(
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby mjdragonfly » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:37 pm

I just sent a letter to my MP as well (first time). This is totally an unnecessary mess. I am just choked!
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Liquid Cobra » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:04 pm

adancingmonkey wrote:knifepocalypse :(
This. Eh.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby mjdragonfly » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:54 pm

bacmapei wrote:My sprint run Para 3 is shipping today from Ontario, so some import shipments are continuing (which makes me happy), but it sounds like a very uneven playing field between retailers and individuals. Thanks to the other forum members for their updates and sharing the information they have.
This only pertains to knives entering Canada and not shipping within Canada the knives are legal. It is Custome which has a problem.
Your knife was obviously in stock prior to this. Good for you. Better buy what ever it is that you want now if you can find it in stock. Even if you change you mind later and don't want it selling it second hand in Canada will be easy due to it not being available any longer. Glad I just got my Manix 2 lockback and Endura 4 this week.
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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby KingRat » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:55 pm

Well, I'm glad I went ahead and got my backup Chinook 4 in January.

It's looking unlikely that I will score a Shabaria sprint though, which is a bummer.

Why can't we have nice things?

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Re: Knives going out of stock in Canada?

Postby Jazz » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:13 pm

Honestly, if we can't get new stuff, there's not much point even checking out this forum. So much for an Endura wharncliffe. Some jackass customs idiot somewhere is right proud of himself too. I'd like to let his hind part meet my foot.

I just looked at W & W's prices. Looks like I'm done.
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