MAP policy change? 35%

[MacLaren]

Your exactly right Paul.
Just wishing I would have bought sooner :)
Glad I already have a Vallotton.
They are now $220.97
(BHQ Website)

[Brendanenon]

First off, I’m not looking to stir up any commotion. I’m just trying to understand if this is correct. I’m seeing this jump across multiple sites. By my calculations (and I’m bad at math so they could be wrong) it looks like the Shaman just jumped 21% up in price. From $149.97 to $181.97. The MSRP went from $259.95 to $279.95 as well.

Is this right? Again, not looking to cause problems, just looking for clarity. I thought the price difference was going to be 5%.

Note: it looks like BladeHQ updated their PE Shaman pricing, but not their SE. I’m sure the SE price will change, but this screen shot is a good reference to show the hike difference.

If you had tried to enter that item into your cart, the price there would have shown as 181. Not sure why the listing wasn't updated. it may have now. Fortunately, I found a site that hadn't updated their pricing yet and got it for 149. Was hoping to get it in a sprint run this year, but with the increase MSPR and decrease MAP, it will just be more than I want to spend.

Yeah I noticed this too. Some of the new for 2018 knives were already listed at %35 of MSRP. What REALLY disappoints me is that Spyderco snuck in some additional price hikes. Most significant to me is the shaman. I've spent nearly $1000 dollars on spydercos this season. I figured I'd wait for an interesting limited shaman run and eat the %5 but now it's %10 up and also there's the principle of it. I may still grab one pre price hike but this may be a bit of a line in the sand for me and spyderco.

[Eli Chaps]

Yeah I noticed this too. Some of the new for 2018 knives were already listed at %35 of MSRP. What REALLY disappoints me is that Spyderco snuck in some additional price hikes. Most significant to me is the shaman. I've spent nearly $1000 dollars on spydercos this season. I figured I'd wait for an interesting limited shaman run and eat the %5 but now it's %10 up and also there's the principle of it. I may still grab one pre price hike but this may be a bit of a line in the sand for me and spyderco.

Just because you personally weren't aware of it doesn't mean Spyderco "snuck in additional price hikes." On like page 2 of this thread Kristi informed the entire internet that there would be MSRP increases to some models. No, she didn't list the exact models but nevertheless the "warning" was sounded for all to absorb and react to as they saw/see fit.

Further, what principle of the thing? Do car manufacturers run ad's advising the consuming public to be prepared for new-year model price increases? Does Frito-Lay tell you to be prepared for the reduction in chip volume in vending machine bags? Do we get notifications that banana prices are going up?

Perhaps the issue is that Spyderco has such an excellent reputation for custoemr interaction that it feels like there is a principle issue here but in reality there isn't. It's just business and as a consumer you are free to react to it as you see fit. Is the product worth the cost to you individually? That's it.

[infinkc]

As for the MAP change this thread is about and I still haven’t commented on...I’m more upset that Subway footlongs arent $5 anymore. Inflation happens; just wrapped the sale of my first house I bought in 2009 and made a tidy sum that will setup my son’s future (due February 4th) better than I could’ve hoped. It’s a price adjustment for a product I don’t need anymore of anyway and each additional knife is basically a frivolous one. Cash rules everything around me, CREAM, dollar/dollar bill y’all.

Subway brought back the $5 footlong for a limited time right now, so hopefully that will make you happy.

[Unbrokenchain33]

Not gonna lie. The Sage 5 going from $137 to $149 hurts

[mattman]

Yeah I noticed this too. Some of the new for 2018 knives were already listed at %35 of MSRP. What REALLY disappoints me is that Spyderco snuck in some additional price hikes. Most significant to me is the shaman. I've spent nearly $1000 dollars on spydercos this season. I figured I'd wait for an interesting limited shaman run and eat the %5 but now it's %10 up and also there's the principle of it. I may still grab one pre price hike but this may be a bit of a line in the sand for me and spyderco.

Just because you personally weren't aware of it doesn't mean Spyderco "snuck in additional price hikes." On like page 2 of this thread Kristi informed the entire internet that there would be MSRP increases to some models. No, she didn't list the exact models but nevertheless the "warning" was sounded for all to absorb and react to as they saw/see fit.

Further, what principle of the thing? Do car manufacturers run ad's advising the consuming public to be prepared for new-year model price increases? Does Frito-Lay tell you to be prepared for the reduction in chip volume in vending machine bags? Do we get notifications that banana prices are going up?

Perhaps the issue is that Spyderco has such an excellent reputation for custoemr interaction that it feels like there is a principle issue here but in reality there isn't. It's just business and as a consumer you are free to react to it as you see fit. Is the product worth the cost to you individually? That's it.

Excellent post, sir.

[bh49]

Just wishing I would have bought sooner :)

The same here. I am wishing that I bought Shaman in 2017. Not going to happen in 2018, unless Spyderco will come out with sprint, which will blow my mind. As we discussed collecting is a luxury. I will buy what I can afford and what is worth for me. If I will loose my CF Fluted N5, I will buy replacement right away even it is more expensive than many other .
Of cause collecting was more fun, when it was more affordable.

[jmh58]

Just wishing I would have bought sooner :)

Of cause collecting was more fun, when it was more affordable.

Yep.. Also.. Age changes perspective... :D John

[RamZar]

MSRP on the Shaman went up from $249.95 to $279.95 which is a 10.7% increase. Of course, the MAP discount off MSRP went from 40% to 35% (that by itself is an 8.33% increase in street price). The combination of the MSRP increase and change in MAP, has effectively increased the street price by $32.00 from $149.97 to $181.97 which is a 21.34% increase.

[attila]

MSRP on the Shaman went up from $249.95 to $279.95 which is a 10.7% increase. Of course, the MAP discount off MSRP went from 40% to 35% (that by itself is an 8.33% increase in street price). The combination of the MSRP increase and change in MAP, has effectively increased the street price from $149.97 to $181.97 which is a 21.34% increase.

:eek:

The Shaman seems like an awesome new platform, but I'm not really interested in the base model. I was hoping for exclusives to pique my interest, but this'll likely put the Shaman out of my justifiable reach, and that is a huge bummer.

[Liquid Cobra]

MSRP on the Shaman went up from $249.95 to $279.95 which is a 10.7% increase. Of course, the MAP discount off MSRP went from 40% to 35% (that by itself is an 8.33% increase in street price). The combination of the MSRP increase and change in MAP, has effectively increased the street price from $149.97 to $181.97 which is a 21.34% increase.

:eek:

The Shaman seems like an awesome new platform, but I'm not really interested in the base model. I was hoping for exclusives to pique my interest, but this'll likely put the Shaman out of my justifiable reach, and that is a huge bummer.

At the new price I would still definitely say the Shaman is worth it. Don’t let yourself miss out.

[attila]

MSRP on the Shaman went up from $249.95 to $279.95 which is a 10.7% increase. Of course, the MAP discount off MSRP went from 40% to 35% (that by itself is an 8.33% increase in street price). The combination of the MSRP increase and change in MAP, has effectively increased the street price from $149.97 to $181.97 which is a 21.34% increase.

:eek:

The Shaman seems like an awesome new platform, but I'm not really interested in the base model. I was hoping for exclusives to pique my interest, but this'll likely put the Shaman out of my justifiable reach, and that is a huge bummer.

At the new price I would still definitely say the Shaman is worth it. Don’t let yourself miss out.

Thanks. I haven't completely dismissed it, but I may have to wait for sprints and get them directly from Spyderco, taking advantage of the veteran discount.

[RamZar]

By the way, not all dealers have updated their prices yet so you still have a chance to get a Shaman at the 2017 price if you hurry.

[SG89]

if sprints and exclusives don't follow MAP i wonder what we will see in the future... dealers selling sprints cheaper than the production model or am I wishful thinking....seems like some sprints/exclusives in the past took forever to sell out bc they were priced too high or didn't seem like much of an upgrade compared to the production model...

[MacLaren]

if sprints and exclusives don't follow MAP i wonder what we will see in the future... dealers selling sprints cheaper than the production model or am I wishful thinking....seems like some sprints/exclusives in the past took forever to sell out bc they were priced too high or didn't seem like much of an upgrade compared to the production model...

Yup. I've been wandering that myself.

[RamZar]

Dealers have more leeway on pricing on their exclusives.

I just picked up another KnifeCenter Exclusive Native5 S90V/Green G-10 (linerless) for $139.95 whereas the standard Native5 S35VN/Black G-10 is now $146.22 at KnifeCenter (MAP change). So, you get better steel and lighter overall for $6.27 less!

[jdw]

if sprints and exclusives don't follow MAP i wonder what we will see in the future... dealers selling sprints cheaper than the production model or am I wishful thinking....seems like some sprints/exclusives in the past took forever to sell out bc they were priced too high or didn't seem like much of an upgrade compared to the production model...

Yup. I've been wandering that myself.

I wonder as well. My concern is that many dealers will take advantage of the changes and that we will see a marked up swing in price of Exclusives and Sprint Runs instead of the inverse. Dealer inflated inflation basically.

[Eli Chaps]

Dealers have more leeway on pricing on their exclusives.

I just picked up another KnifeCenter Exclusive Native5 S90V/Green G-10 (linerless) for $139.95 whereas the standard Native5 S35VN/Black G-10 is now $146.22 at KnifeCenter (MAP change). So, you get better steel and lighter overall for $6.27 less!

I would guess it all depends on their own costs. They may get a better price on the exclusives so can sell them cheaper. Or maybe a particular vendor is willing to sell an exclusive at cost just for the "advertising" (word of mouth, additional buys, etc.) that such a product can bring.

I suspect sprints are the basically the same. Spyderco might incur additional costs for producing a sprint. Maybe their material cost is more because they are buying a small volume or maybe it greatly increases production time or ll manner of combinations that might increase production costs which will increase vendor costs and ultimately our cost.

I don't know of course, just seems to make sense.

[Hopsbreath]

As for the MAP change this thread is about and I still haven’t commented on...I’m more upset that Subway footlongs arent $5 anymore. Inflation happens; just wrapped the sale of my first house I bought in 2009 and made a tidy sum that will setup my son’s future (due February 4th) better than I could’ve hoped. It’s a price adjustment for a product I don’t need anymore of anyway and each additional knife is basically a frivolous one. Cash rules everything around me, CREAM, dollar/dollar bill y’all.

Subway brought back the $5 footlong for a limited time right now, so hopefully that will make you happy.

Nope, I’m still salty. It’s only $4.99 for select sandwiches and none of the ones I like made the list. Also in a bad mood due to my home sale not going through yesterday because of a quarter size hole in the siding. However, I did get to use my Military trimming the vinyl this morning. Like buttah

[SG89]

Dealers have more leeway on pricing on their exclusives.

I just picked up another KnifeCenter Exclusive Native5 S90V/Green G-10 (linerless) for $139.95 whereas the standard Native5 S35VN/Black G-10 is now $146.22 at KnifeCenter (MAP change). So, you get better steel and lighter overall for $6.27 less!

I hear that knife is a winner... I almost bought it but chose the fluted cf n5 instead