From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

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From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby mastiff » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:27 pm

Just like the title says. I hope it's not Kobe Steel :eek: -
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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby krikun98 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:34 pm

HAP-40, Super Blue and ZDP-189 are produced by Yasugi Specialty Steel, a subsidiary of Hitachi. Not sure about VG-10, but it's probably made by the same people.
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Postby bh49 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:39 pm

VG10 made by Takefu
ZDP189 made by Hitachi
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Postby vivi » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:18 pm

Myodo Metals does H1 I believe, have not heard of Spyderco ever using a steel from Kobe.
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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby sal » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:54 pm

No, not Kobe steel. Hitachi, Aichi, Myodo, Daido, Takefu.

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Postby The Mastiff » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:47 pm

"No, not Kobe steel. Hitachi, Aichi, Myodo, Daido, Takefu."

These are some of the worlds best along with Carpenter/Latrobe/ Crucible, Bohler-Uddeholm, etc.

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Postby JD Spydo » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:46 am

With all the great newer supersteels we've been blessed with from Carpenter and Crucible I've been wondering what our Japanese Brothers might have for Spyderco's Japan made models. I've been really longing for a C-60 Ayoob model with some type of Supersteel. I would even be open for a HAP-40 Ayoob but I got a feeling we could even do better than that.

Also with Brother "Xceptnl" very much wanting to see the return of the Caly jr. that would be another great model for a Japan made supersteel.

Not to mention the ROOKIE model which I just launched a new thread for. The possibilities are really intriguing and it would be really cool to see how Japan's supersteels would stack up against the great USA supersteels.

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Postby Bodog » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:04 pm

mastiff wrote:Just like the title says. I hope it's not Kobe Steel :eek: -
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Who cares? Knives are way down on the list of things to worry about when you're talking about cars, trains, and planes made with bunk steel. Just another reason to shut down Japanese associated production. But spyderco won't and they'll keep pushing overpriced knives at substandard quality just to keep the gates open for Japanese steel.
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Postby Donut » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:42 pm

Man is it really confusing having someone who doesn't know much about steel named mastiff and someone who knows a LOT about steel named The Mastiff.

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Postby bh49 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:22 pm

Donut wrote:Man is it really confusing having someone who doesn't know much about steel named mastiff and someone who knows a LOT about steel named The Mastiff.

It feels like April Fools every day!
I went thru this myself. :eek:
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Postby mastiff » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:06 pm

Donut wrote:Man is it really confusing having someone who doesn't know much about steel named mastiff and someone who knows a LOT about steel named The Mastiff.

It feels like April Fools every day!
I didn't say anything bad about the steel, I was just hoping that Spyderco wasn't getting it from Kobe. Kind of why I asked where does Spyderco get their steel, because I honestly wanted to know. I know enough about steel to know I don't like AUS8 when compared to VG-10. I also like S30V for edge retention over VG-10 and CTS-XHP over S30V. That's mostly based on personal experience and what I've read.

I read up on what elements come in which steel and the effects they have on the steel, a general overview on heat treating, HRC, ease of sharpening, and look for reviews from guys on here and elsewhere before I buy just about any Spydie. I'm not a metallurgist and I have far too many other interests to become one in my spare time. I'm not ashamed to say that most of my initial interest about steels came from the Spyderco Catalog. It peaked my curiosity enough that I learned as much as I needed in my opinion to make an informed decision about which knives I'd like to buy from Spyderco and which steel might best suit my needs. Do I need more info that that?

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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby Wanimator » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:23 pm

Sal, have you looked into Daido DC-53?

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Postby sal » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:42 pm

Hi Wanimator,

We did a number of years ago, even before we began making mule teams. The maker that brought some to us compared it to D2, even though the carbon was less.

The next Japanese steel we're playing with in V-Toku 2 by Tekefu. Working with Bill Burke on it. He is a very skilled blade-smith. He forges it and supplies it to blade-smiths.

We're always open to suggestions.

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Postby Donut » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:17 pm

mastiff wrote:
Donut wrote:Man is it really confusing having someone who doesn't know much about steel named mastiff and someone who knows a LOT about steel named The Mastiff.

It feels like April Fools every day!
I didn't say anything bad about the steel, I was just hoping that Spyderco wasn't getting it from Kobe. Kind of why I asked where does Spyderco get their steel, because I honestly wanted to know. I know enough about steel to know I don't like AUS8 when compared to VG-10. I also like S30V for edge retention over VG-10 and CTS-XHP over S30V. That's mostly based on personal experience and what I've read.

I read up on what elements come in which steel and the effects they have on the steel, a general overview on heat treating, HRC, ease of sharpening, and look for reviews from guys on here and elsewhere before I buy just about any Spydie. I'm not a metallurgist and I have far too many other interests to become one in my spare time. I'm not ashamed to say that most of my initial interest about steels came from the Spyderco Catalog. It peaked my curiosity enough that I learned as much as I needed in my opinion to make an informed decision about which knives I'd like to buy from Spyderco and which steel might best suit my needs. Do I need more info that that?
It's like all the questions you ask publicly about steel, could be answered by the guy with an almost identical name as you. It is pretty comical.
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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby Wanimator » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:25 pm

sal wrote:Hi Wanimator,

We did a number of years ago, even before we began making mule teams. The maker that brought some to us compared it to D2, even though the carbon was less.

The next Japanese steel we're playing with in V-Toku 2 by Tekefu. Working with Bill Burke on it. He is a very skilled blade-smith. He forges it and supplies it to blade-smiths.

We're always open to suggestions.

sal
It's supposed to be tougher with finer carbides than D2, while being able to take a higher hardness. At least that's what they advertise. I have a local vendor that has sold the steel and one application of it was tire cutting blades where it actually held an edge better than D2, I wish I could find more information on it so it wasn't so anecdotal.

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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby The Mastiff » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:35 pm

The next Japanese steel we're playing with in V-Toku 2 by Tekefu. Working with Bill Burke on it. He is a very skilled blade-smith. He forges it and supplies it to blade-smiths.
Sal, you seem to always have good news. V-Toku 1 and 2 are some of the carbon/tungsten steels I've been looking at. I'm not one of Master Smith Bill Burkes high end foodies that can afford one of his knives unfortunately. These steels interest me and like Super Blue they are made to cut and slice at high sharpness. Almost a can't miss proposition. :)

Thanks for making the 52100 PM2 BTW. I ordered mine today.

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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby sal » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:41 am

Hi Joe,

Some of us just like 52100 :D

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Postby jdw » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:58 am

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Postby farnorthdan » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:36 pm

sal wrote:Hi Joe,

Some of us just like 52100 :D

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+1, truth right there ;)

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Re: From which company does Spyderco get their Japanese steel?

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:09 am

Sal, I was gifted with an H1 Hawkbill blade from G-Sakai. It is beautiful and well made and reminds me of your Tasman Salt, which I also have. The blade is almost 3 inches and you and others can see it here:

http://japan-blades.com/field-knives/4454.html

They call it the Shark Ray and it has a handle of FRN and is a fixed blade. I wanted to show this to you and JD Spydo and others on here.

Here are the listed/posted specs:

Sabi Knife 9 SHARK-RAY made by G-Sakai

Blade Steel
H-1 Stainless steel (HRC:56-57)

Handle Material
FRN (Black, Yellow, Orenge red)

Blade Type
Hawksbill (Hollow grind)

Overall Length(mm)
188mm (7.4")

Blade Length(mm)
75mm (2.95")

Blade Thickness
2.5mm

Weight
160g

Sheath Material
FRN (Fiberglass Reinforced Nylon)

Country of Origin
Made in Japan

Our Price(US$)
US$86.00-


What do you think of that knife? It's like a fixed blade version of the Tasman Salt.


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