New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

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New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby dplafoll » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:47 pm

As always, thanks so much to Mark's Outdoors in Vestavia Hills, AL for the privilege of taking these.

Album link: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm8iRwa8

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Let me just get this out of the way: All three of these are bigger than my taste, so I won't be buying them. Take all opinions with that caveat.

Police 4: It's been a while since I've handled a Police, so this was almost like a new experience. It fits very nicely in the hand, and it's a classic design but updated. Lockup feels great, the blade looks great, F&F is very good. I can confirm it has PB washers; I can also confirm that the tolerances are so tight in there that I initially couldn't see one of the washers and thought only one side had one. Overall a very nice knife. I am honestly not sure what I'd choose between this knife and the Military in that general size. Also, hooray K390 steel!

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Chinook 4: It feels like the description from the Spyderco Byte newsletter, in that the grip is very secure and that you could hit someone or something with it and not worry about the lock. Definitely not my thing aesthetically, but it seems very well made and if it speaks to you I think you'll enjoy it. Lockup is good; the action is a little stiffer than a normal lockback, but not a big deal. Confirmed PB washers on this one as well, though the setup in the pivot made it hard to see much less photograph. S30V steel.

ImageUntitled by dplafoll, on Flickr

Opus: This one is an interesting knife. To me, the blade looks good, and the handle starts to look good then kinda droops off towards the rear. I don't dislike it, but I am not sure if I like it or not. It definitely surprised me, though, with the ergonomics. It feels very natural in the hand, and I think it would actually make a good large EDC knife. The design of the handle gives you a very nice pinch point, lots of thumb purchase without a large thumb ramp, and the pseudo-choil (if it's not a 50/50, maybe it's a 25/75?) and finger scallop keep your knuckles right around the level of the cutting edge, like the SpydieChef. The lanyard hole seems like an unnecessary addition. One disappointment on this one is that it's definitely teflon washers. But, with S30V instead of VG-10, and the action is fairly good, I can let that go more than on other models. Lockup is good on the liner lock, and it's easy enough to disengage. Overall, another weird Spyderco that you may really like, or might not. But it's a very unique knife either way

ImageUntitled by dplafoll, on Flickr

Note: I found out that some videos for previous drops hadn't uploaded correctly, so I'm re-uploading them and I'll have those available once that's done. The videos for these three are definitely in the album.
EDIT: Videos are up. Albums:
Caly 3, Para 3 Cruwear: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm6ZgvtH
Native 5 Fluted CF, others: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm5K8YiU
Meerkat, BJH, Manix2 Comp.: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm1mU3X2
Salt 2: https://flic.kr/s/aHskWLa3hQ
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby SF Native » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:25 pm

Thanks as always for posting the initial review.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby murphjd25 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:29 pm

Thanks again for the great reviews! The Police 4 was a defintly must have for me and I am even more exited now that I see it doesn't have a Boye Detent!! Does anyone know if this has the new stout backlock like on the Manix and Native?
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby Doc Dan » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:32 pm

dplafoll wrote:As always, thanks so much to Mark's Outdoors in Vestavia Hills, AL for the privilege of taking these.

Album link: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm8iRwa8

ImageUntitled by dplafoll, on Flickr

Let me just get this out of the way: All three of these are bigger than my taste, so I won't be buying them. Take all opinions with that caveat.

Police 4: It's been a while since I've handled a Police, so this was almost like a new experience. It fits very nicely in the hand, and it's a classic design but updated. Lockup feels great, the blade looks great, F&F is very good. I can confirm it has PB washers; I can also confirm that the tolerances are so tight in there that I initially couldn't see one of the washers and thought only one side had one. Overall a very nice knife. I am honestly not sure what I'd choose between this knife and the Military in that general size. Also, hooray K390 steel!

ImageUntitled by dplafoll, on Flickr

Chinook 4: It feels like the description from the Spyderco Byte newsletter, in that the grip is very secure and that you could hit someone or something with it and not worry about the lock. Definitely not my thing aesthetically, but it seems very well made and if it speaks to you I think you'll enjoy it. Lockup is good; the action is a little stiffer than a normal lockback, but not a big deal. Confirmed PB washers on this one as well, though the setup in the pivot made it hard to see much less photograph. S30V steel.

ImageUntitled by dplafoll, on Flickr

Opus: This one is an interesting knife. To me, the blade looks good, and the handle starts to look good then kinda droops off towards the rear. I don't dislike it, but I am not sure if I like it or not. It definitely surprised me, though, with the ergonomics. It feels very natural in the hand, and I think it would actually make a good large EDC knife. The design of the handle gives you a very nice pinch point, lots of thumb purchase without a large thumb ramp, and the pseudo-choil (if it's not a 50/50, maybe it's a 25/75?) and finger scallop keep your knuckles right around the level of the cutting edge, like the SpydieChef. The lanyard hole seems like an unnecessary addition. One disappointment on this one is that it's definitely teflon washers. But, with S30V instead of VG-10, and the action is fairly good, I can let that go more than on other models. Lockup is good on the liner lock, and it's easy enough to disengage. Overall, another weird Spyderco that you may really like, or might not. But it's a very unique knife either way

ImageUntitled by dplafoll, on Flickr

Note: I found out that some videos for previous drops hadn't uploaded correctly, so I'm re-uploading them and I'll have those available once that's done. The videos for these three are definitely in the album.
EDIT: Videos are up. Albums:
Caly 3, Para 3 Cruwear: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm6ZgvtH
Native 5 Fluted CF, others: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm5K8YiU
Meerkat, BJH, Manix2 Comp.: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm1mU3X2
Salt 2: https://flic.kr/s/aHskWLa3hQ
Thanks for the post. I am looking forward to the P4.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby Popsickle » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:58 pm

Out of the 3 I went with the chinook 4. I'll get the police 4 at some point but I really wanted an EDC/SD combo roll filler and this does it nicely.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby dplafoll » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:27 am

Doc Dan wrote:Thanks for the post. I am looking forward to the P4.

Mark must be pushing 70 now and getting long in the tooth.
Unfortunately, Mark Sr. passed back in 2012 from, I believe, some form of cancer. That was a couple of years before I got into this hobby and about 3 before I found out about his store. His wife still owns the store, and his son works there as one of the top management, and he'll probably end up running it. He's a good guy and he wasn't huge into knives before he met the knife counter at the store; now, he carries a ZT0850 almost exclusively and is definitely into knives and committed to the knife counter's success.
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby Doc Dan » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:01 am

Sorry to hear about Mark. I knew him.
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby KingRat » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:25 am

Thanks a lot for your work. I especially appreciate your up-close videos. I think it's pretty impressive that Spyderco can release these three on the same day and still have much more to come in the coming weeks, not to mention what has already been released this year.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby mb1 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:43 am

The Opus is interesting. The hunchback profile reminds me of a vulture, the way a vulture's wings sit high on its back. The tip almost looks like a softened or rounded tanto.

I imagine the Japan G-10/S30V pricing will hamper sales at $200.
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby El Gato » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:11 am

I am happy to see that the Police 4 and K390 blade steel at .118" thickness is showing up. I have been very interested in this one.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby wrdwrght » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:09 am

KW just billed me for a Police4. Woohoo!

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby camvdcs » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:38 pm

Looks like GPK has the Police 4.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby The Mastiff » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:09 am

I was going over my new P4 and treating the steel before use. I had an opportunity to compare it with the Cruwear PM 3 which I had handy. The P4 came to me not wanting to shave hair unlike the Cruwear PM 3. That one was finished to a higher degree and is a supreme slicer right out of the box. The P4 on the other hand showed less finish on the edge and the blade was also less uniform to my eye. Now I'm not complaining. The P4 is an extremely well made knife more than worth it's price. The P4 seems more workmanlike though.

The Cruwear Pm3 like the Pm2 Cruwear before it were built and finished to levels I expect from high dollar custom and semi custom knives. I don't know how Spyderco pulls them off at those prices to be honest. The Police 4's edge reminded me what kind of steel it is when it began cutting right in to the skin even with me being very careful when shave testing. Something that only has happened to me when using a very high carbide steel made to be very sharp. A razor might be technically sharper but those high carbide steels seem to bite more into flesh. Not a scientific description I admit yet one that I am convinced of and have seen with 10V and S125V ( at rc 64.5) and Maxamet along with Rex 20 ( M62). Something about the steel, carbides and the surface tension of flesh.... or something. :)

Anyways, I do like the two new knives. More knives I once would have thought very unlikely or impossible to ask of any knife manufacturer. I recall when S90V was too much to ask or hope for. :D Thank you again Spyderco.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby RamZar » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:54 pm

Chinook4 and Opus at $201-$204 are overpriced as with most Spydercos made in Japan with G-10 and S30V/VG-10.

Consider the U.S. made Spydercos with G-10 and S30V/S35VN going for $102-$161.

Police4 at $174 with G-10 and K390 is somewhat reasonable.
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby Popsickle » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:49 pm

RamZar wrote:Chinook4 and Opus at $201-$204 are overpriced as with most Spydercos made in Japan with G-10 and S30V/VG-10.

Consider the U.S. made Spydercos with G-10 and S30V/S35VN going for $102-$161.

Police4 at $174 with G-10 and K390 is somewhat reasonable.

I compared my Chinook 4 to my para 2 and Millie and the chinook has way more going into it. Sorry but it's appropriately priced. Would I have liked to have seen it a bit lower and in the realm of the Golden spydercos? Absolutely. The price is due to import costs vs exchange and any other factors that may contribute to a higher price.

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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby bearfacedkiller » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:09 pm

The S110V Military is $177 so I would say that the Police4 in K390 at $174 is better than "somewhat reasonable". The steels are in a similar class and the knives are a similar size. They seem like similar knives at a similar price.

I agree that some of the Japanese Spydies are not bringing the greatest value but I think that this one is a good value for what you are getting.
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby RamZar » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:12 pm

Popsickle wrote:
RamZar wrote:Chinook4 and Opus at $201-$204 are overpriced as with most Spydercos made in Japan with G-10 and S30V/VG-10.

Consider the U.S. made Spydercos with G-10 and S30V/S35VN going for $102-$161.

Police4 at $174 with G-10 and K390 is somewhat reasonable.

I compared my Chinook 4 to my para 2 and Millie and the chinook has way more going into it. Sorry but it's appropriately priced. Would I have liked to have seen it a bit lower and in the realm of the Golden spydercos? Absolutely. The price is due to import costs vs exchange and any other factors that may contribute to a higher price.
In what objective ways is your Chinook4 so superior to your ParaMilitary2 and Military to justify the lofty price? The materials are the same and I personally find Golden quality superior to Japanese made Spydercos.
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Re: New Models Dropped: Police 4, Chinook 4, Opus

Postby Popsickle » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:35 am

RamZar wrote:
Popsickle wrote:
RamZar wrote:Chinook4 and Opus at $201-$204 are overpriced as with most Spydercos made in Japan with G-10 and S30V/VG-10.

Consider the U.S. made Spydercos with G-10 and S30V/S35VN going for $102-$161.

Police4 at $174 with G-10 and K390 is somewhat reasonable.

I compared my Chinook 4 to my para 2 and Millie and the chinook has way more going into it. Sorry but it's appropriately priced. Would I have liked to have seen it a bit lower and in the realm of the Golden spydercos? Absolutely. The price is due to import costs vs exchange and any other factors that may contribute to a higher price.
In what objective ways is your Chinook4 so superior to your ParaMilitary2 and Military to justify the lofty price? The materials are the same and I personally find Golden quality superior to Japanese made Spydercos.
When I get it back from warranty I'll do a comparison. See thread //forum.spyderco.com/viewto ... =2&t=75904 For info as to why you'll have to wait


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