Explain the compression lock to me, please?

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Re: Explain the compression lock to me, please?

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:18 pm

First of all, thank you again to everyone who taught me about the Compression Lock, especially you Darby, thank you!

And thank you Sal for your personal reply on here.

And Conspicuous, excellent links on those Spyderco patents, very cool, thank you!

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Re: Explain the compression lock to me, please?

Postby bdblue » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:50 pm

Evil D wrote:I like it because it allows me to swing the blade shut in one fluid motion while my fingers are out of the way.
We tend to think of the difference between liner lock and compression lock according to the geometry and potential strength, but this is the difference in operation- You press a liner lock to unlock the blade and then you get your thumb out of the way. The liner lock presses against the side of the tang and adds friction to the system as the blade closes. With the compression lock you can hold the liner completely out of the way for the entire blade closing eliminating its friction from the system. So the blade can theoretically swing freely.

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Re: Explain the compression lock to me, please?

Postby Eli Chaps » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:12 am

ConspicuousConsumption wrote:So I know that the Compression Lock is patented, but who designed it? Someone at Spyderco, or did they license it or something? These were questions that drove me to the US Patent Office database, which I've spent considerable time on for a master's degree course a few years ago (patent troll research). You'd be surprised over the really interesting, unique ideas companies have.If there's even a chance they'll want to put out a product or even pursue a product design, they'll apply for a patent. Spyderco has some out there in similar fashion.
Yes and no. I don't want to derail the thread but these days companies are very particular about what they submit for patent application. Once you submit it, it becomes available to the public. Keep in mind, there is a huge difference between a patent application and an issued patent. Quite often a patent application will be filed but the final patent will never be pursued as it is very expensive. They are also often denied because prior art is found by the patent office. The application will still be out there but often that is all there is.

The other and bigger issue is China. There are US patents, European patents, Japanese patents, Chinese patents, etc. Most everybody plays well together except China. A US patent is only enforceable in the US. But Google will show you all you want to know about a patent. So China routinely plagerizes these patents, especially on lower-end goods, and floods the market with them. The patent-holding company then must decide if they wish to pursue legal action if the goods are entering the patented market. Even then, the violators don't have to change too much to make a case of non-infringement.

There's a lot of very smart tech out there that companies decide to label as a Trade Secret rather than file for a patent. It grants some protection if some one else does go for a patent on the same tech but doesn't require full disclosure of the invention. Now, that's pretty hard to do on something like a lock that a competitor can easily reverse engineer.

Not only does China routinely steal patented designs, the companies are often heavily sponsored by the government. At the very least they can often absorb heavy losses in those rare cases that some one does pursue infringement and does win.

Patents aren't what they used to be and modern manufacturers are up against very hard choices. I imagine Spyderco is no exception. Buy from reputable companies and reputable distributors! Support companies you know and respect.

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Re: Explain the compression lock to me, please?

Postby ConspicuousConsumption » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:31 am

Eli Chaps wrote:
ConspicuousConsumption wrote:So I know that the Compression Lock is patented, but who designed it? Someone at Spyderco, or did they license it or something? These were questions that drove me to the US Patent Office database, which I've spent considerable time on for a master's degree course a few years ago (patent troll research). You'd be surprised over the really interesting, unique ideas companies have.If there's even a chance they'll want to put out a product or even pursue a product design, they'll apply for a patent. Spyderco has some out there in similar fashion.
Yes and no. I don't want to derail the thread but these days companies are very particular about what they submit for patent application. Once you submit it, it becomes available to the public. Keep in mind, there is a huge difference between a patent application and an issued patent. Quite often a patent application will be filed but the final patent will never be pursued as it is very expensive. They are also often denied because prior art is found by the patent office. The application will still be out there but often that is all there is.

The other and bigger issue is China. There are US patents, European patents, Japanese patents, Chinese patents, etc. Most everybody plays well together except China. A US patent is only enforceable in the US. But Google will show you all you want to know about a patent. So China routinely plagerizes these patents, especially on lower-end goods, and floods the market with them. The patent-holding company then must decide if they wish to pursue legal action if the goods are entering the patented market. Even then, the violators don't have to change too much to make a case of non-infringement.

There's a lot of very smart tech out there that companies decide to label as a Trade Secret rather than file for a patent. It grants some protection if some one else does go for a patent on the same tech but doesn't require full disclosure of the invention. Now, that's pretty hard to do on something like a lock that a competitor can easily reverse engineer.

Not only does China routinely steal patented designs, the companies are often heavily sponsored by the government. At the very least they can often absorb heavy losses in those rare cases that some one does pursue infringement and does win.

Patents aren't what they used to be and modern manufacturers are up against very hard choices. I imagine Spyderco is no exception. Buy from reputable companies and reputable distributors! Support companies you know and respect.
Thanks for the good discussion and further details about the patent world. I've really only studied high tech patents, and particularly design patents for smartphones and some software patents. Most interesting are the futuristic ideas that major tech companies file, simply for "protective" measures. Steve Jobs started this trend at Apple, and really it makes sense given the current climate of litigation. There's a great website devoted to looking at Apple's numerous, near daily patent filings: http://www.patentlyapple.com/

But yes I totally hear you and enjoy the input. Thanks for the great analysis of Chinese interference in global free trade based on the rule of law!

By the way, a work friend of mine is married to a patent clerk at the HQ. I don't know more than that, but we've had fun talking about various patent ideas over the years! Our wifi and bluetooth breadmaker idea is sadly on the market... you snooze, you lose.

Long live the Compression Lock!
The first time I saw a Spyderco was the early 90s at a knife shop in a mall. I can still see the SpydieHoles through that glass display cabinet. My parents wouldn't buy any of them for me... so now I buy them all. :spyder:

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Re: Explain the compression lock to me, please?

Postby LDB » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:26 am

The patent including illustrations.

http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0& ... 2Bspyderco


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