Lulz,chuck_roxas45 wrote:I choose a teacup for EDDC...
https://youtu.be/16RdEtQL9EQ
I'd just use my Blue Steel :rolleyes:
Lulz,chuck_roxas45 wrote:I choose a teacup for EDDC...
https://youtu.be/16RdEtQL9EQ
:Dspyderwolf wrote:I thought we were talking about sd,not about your diet.fivesense wrote:Granted, after I've dispatched the assailant with my copper pointed 9mm, I may still want to carve him up for dinner.spyderwolf wrote:Without a serious training,which i dont think you have,you should not even dream to carry a knife for SD.Delicas and Enduras are the best choices,due to the fact they had a trainer version.
:Dfivesense wrote:spyderwolf wrote:I thought we were talking about sd,not about your diet.fivesense wrote:Granted, after I've dispatched the assailant with my copper pointed 9mm, I may still want to carve him up for dinner.spyderwolf wrote:Without a serious training,which i dont think you have,you should not even dream to carry a knife for SD.Delicas and Enduras are the best choices,due to the fact they had a trainer version.
I find that portraying myself as a cannibal often acts as a self-defense deterrent.
I got to say I generally agree with h8speech when it comes to using a knife for self defense (but not with name calling nor actual hate speech on the forums).h8speech wrote:you can kill someone by using a knife, but you can't stop someone by using a knife.
First, let's shelve the "other options" argument: situational awareness, run away, avoid confrontation, use your gun etc... Let's say the situation is at hand- someone is threatening to attack you or is attacking you- and all you have is a knife.tonijedi wrote:I got to say I generally agree with h8speech when it comes to using a knife for self defense (but not with name calling nor actual hate speech on the forums).h8speech wrote:you can kill someone by using a knife, but you can't stop someone by using a knife.
There are very particular cases where I can imagine how a knife comes in handy for stopping an attack, but generally speaking I would not withdraw my knife to defend myself.
I can also imagine using a knife to defend against a dog attack. On both cases (humans or dogs, or any other animal) you can also use a knife to defend someone that's not you.
The most common argument I've heard is that the aggressor will take it away from you and use it against you.fivesense wrote: So tell me again why using a knife for self-defense is a bad idea?
If that is all you have, then it is what it is. If you are trained in knife combat, you may have a good chance. But the same can be said about a brick.fivesense wrote:...So tell me again why using a knife for self-defense is a bad idea?
Like. Times 50.Vivi wrote:At the risk of opening up a big can of worms, I'm going to admit something I never have online.fivesense wrote:People underestimate the "deterrent" factor when drawing a knife. Whereas if you brandish a firearm, you open yourself up to all sorts of legal trouble whether you use it or not, deploying a knife is viewed differently from the legal perspective (unless you are "menacing" etc...). So drawing a knife is an emphatic visual warning to an attacker of the potential consequences of a fight. Further, if one ever has to draw and use a knife, consider what the average human will do when blood starts gushing. They stop the aggression or at least must take into account what further aggression might entail. Just like punching someone in the nose- when the blood starts flowing, most people reconsider and often stop. If the attacker is on drugs or adrenaline? Sure, different scenario but that is no argument for not using a knife if that's all you have on you.
But ultimately, if all you have is a knife and your fists (and your feet and common sense of course) why wouldn't you use it? I don't understand why anyone says a knife shouldn't be used in self-defense. Just carry a knife/tool/edged weapon on your person but don't use it in the unlikely event someone attacks you? That sounds ridiculous to me. If you choose to defend yourself with your fists, why wouldn't you be better prepared with your knife in either hand, especially if that knife is gripped in a clenched fist. Clenched in your front (off hand), you can block and jab, leaving your strong hand to bring the heavy. If you block, you've got a good chance of cutting your assailant- if you jab, you can also cut him. No loss, except his blood. Plus, a clenched grip goes a long way toward you maintaining control of the knife. If he's on you in close, thrusts/pulls to the back, neck, legs etc... are all possible. Will you stop the attack? Maybe not, but you are no worse off than if you were just using your hands and legs (which you can use if you have a knife too).
So tell me again why using a knife for self-defense is a bad idea?
I've defended myself from physical assault with a Spyderco pocket knife.
Most of the opinions being shared here and in similar discussions have one thing in common. They're complete bullshit. These people are trying to speak with authority on a subject they have absolutely no experience with.
I did not need specialized training to defend my life that night. All I needed was situational awareness and overwhelming aggression. I faced two attackers on my way home from work. I was doing security in a downtown bar at the time, and I lived close by so I walked home. Cutting through an alley I had two men approach me, one unarmed one had a tire iron. No words. No give me your wallet. They approached with malicious intent and I reacted with a level of violence they did not expect. To this day I am convinced that is why I ended up back home that night instead of in the hospital (Like I assume they did), or worse.
Like I said, for years I've avoided mentioning this or participating in self defense discussions of any sort. They're full of mall ninjas and self professed experts who know nothing about nothing. I took over a decade of training in different combat arts. Karate, wrestling, BJJ, defensive shooting courses, etc. NONE of that training came into play that night. It was fast, it was dirty, it was survival. It was primal instinct. Kill or be killed was my mentality. I do not know what happened to my attackers, I do not care. I moved out of state shortly after, that being one of many reasons why. Violence in that area has increased since I left and I have friends who are leaving too because they're sick of hearing gunshots every week. Someone was shot in the face at the bar down the street my last night pulling a security shift where I worked. People that live in safe areas sometimes underestimate the ability for a human to wish you harm without any reasoning behind it. Some people are simply evil and that is all there it to it.
While I still firmly believe guns are superior to knives for defensive use, and in certain situations even pepper spray is as well, knives have a variety of advantages over other weapons. They can be carried with extreme stealth more easily than a gun. They do not require a license to carry or purchase. They are less expensive. They have numerous utility functions that can justify carrying them to anyone asking questions. They do not have serial numbers. They do not require ammunition. They are less complex, less prone to failure. They are not as legislated and can be carried in many places a gun cannot. I can carry a knife to a school, hospital, bar, concert, parade, any job I've ever had, etc. They are not an automatic felony if you carry one after having a few beers (Which is why I did not have my M&P 9mm on my hip the night this happened)
Anyone seriously interested in the subject of employing knives for self defense is doing themselves a disservice by buying into the total bunk that most people post.
I will not be answering any questions about my situation. It is in the past and I have made my feelings clear. If you are curious, it was a Military, but anything long and sharp with a lock can get the job done.
Lastly, on the subject of reach, I would like to leave this image here. If someone does not think this would make a difference, they are not very bright.
If someone has a gun or is hopped up on bath salts, how is one less prepared or equipped with a knife vs. without? You're talking about uncontrollable variables. I'm talking about a knife or nothing at all. It's pretty simple. Just because one has a knife doesn't mean they need to use it.anycal wrote:If that is all you have, then it is what it is. If you are trained in knife combat, you may have a good chance. But the same can be said about a brick.fivesense wrote:...So tell me again why using a knife for self-defense is a bad idea?
The problem is the unpredictability of a situation. Again, if that is all you have, it may help. But to your points,
- deterrent - not likely if the other person has a gun or is hopped up on bath salts
- blood and average person - in a heated situation, in a fight-or-flight response, shock, adrenaline; site of blood won't change much. Have you ever broken a bone or sustained a major injury and not felt it (shock) for a while?
I do, thanks. Hope your feelings aren't hurt.anycal wrote:Yep, my bad for responding. Sounds like you got it figured out.
+1 I could not agree more with this. Ernie Emerson in his many seminars on the subject talks about having the proper intent and mind set, and that Training to have that intent and mind set is every bit as important as the other knife drills or any physical training. You must be able to summon what he calls "Bad Intent", or to put it as you did, you need to react with a level of ferocity and violence that your attackers will not expect. His motto is "Train like a madman, fight like a demon". Having or developing the mindset and will to fight back and live is the most important part of training.Vivi wrote: They approached with malicious intent and I reacted with a level of violence they did not expect. To this day I am convinced that is why I ended up back home that night instead of in the hospital (Like I assume they did), or worse....
....It was fast, it was dirty, it was survival. It was primal instinct. Kill or be killed was my mentality. I do not know what happened to my attackers, I do not care. I moved out of state shortly after, that being one of many reasons why. Violence in that area has increased since I left and I have friends who are leaving too because they're sick of hearing gunshots every week. Someone was shot in the face at the bar down the street my last night pulling a security shift where I worked. People that live in safe areas sometimes underestimate the ability for a human to wish you harm without any reasoning behind it. Some people are simply evil and that is all there it to it.
Spot on. One must become a ferocious savage in the face of aggression. For some, it's a light switch; for others, it takes mental preparation which is difficult to conjure without external input.ZrowsN1s wrote:+1 I could not agree more with this. Ernie Emerson in his many seminars on the subject talks about having the proper intent and mind set, and that Training to have that intent and mind set is every bit as important as the other knife drills or any physical training. You must be able to summon what he calls "Bad Intent", or to put it as you did, you need to react with a level of ferocity and violence that your attackers will not expect. His motto is "Train like a madman, fight like a demon". Having or developing the mindset and will to fight back and live is the most important part of training.Vivi wrote: They approached with malicious intent and I reacted with a level of violence they did not expect. To this day I am convinced that is why I ended up back home that night instead of in the hospital (Like I assume they did), or worse....
....It was fast, it was dirty, it was survival. It was primal instinct. Kill or be killed was my mentality. I do not know what happened to my attackers, I do not care. I moved out of state shortly after, that being one of many reasons why. Violence in that area has increased since I left and I have friends who are leaving too because they're sick of hearing gunshots every week. Someone was shot in the face at the bar down the street my last night pulling a security shift where I worked. People that live in safe areas sometimes underestimate the ability for a human to wish you harm without any reasoning behind it. Some people are simply evil and that is all there it to it.
The Unrealistic video is incredibly (dizzyingly) entertaining. I've never seen such a "dance of death" like that!ZrowsN1s wrote:These videos won't answer anything we are debating here, but I enjoy them.
Doug Marcaida "Unrealistic Filipino Martial Arts Training" https://youtu.be/M3I_dlku2PA
Elite Gun VS. Elite Knife, Doug Marcaida vs. Instructor Zero uncut footage https://youtu.be/2fjMpn7JCJ0
Without a doubt. As I was watching the videos above, I was struck by the fact that the blades don't look any longer than 2.5 inches. If one knows what they are doing, even such a short(ish) blade can be lethal in a knife fight.ZrowsN1s wrote: guys might not know everything but surely they know something when it comes to the size of the knife necessary to get the job done. Right?