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more high-chromium steels please

Postby tripscheck'em » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:51 pm

just a request, since Spyderco listens to the forum, not intending to start drama.

I know that my S-series or 3v *laminated* Manix isn't going to happen, so this is a request for more 440c, 154cm, D2 (laminated), and BG-42, or extending CTS-BD1 to the paramilitary. Nothing with over 1% vanadium.

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Nate » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:00 pm

Do XHP or B70P do anything for you?
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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby bearfacedkiller » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:37 am

Para2 sprint in BD1? Doesn't sound like a bad idea.
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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Surfingringo » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:03 am

bearfacedkiller wrote:Para2 sprint in BD1? Doesn't sound like a bad idea.
In frn. ;)

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby h8speech » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:17 am

Why do you want high-chromium?

Do you like 20CV/204p/M390?

Do you like corrosion-proof nitrogen steels like H1 and LC200N?

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Postby h8speech » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:21 am

Surfingringo wrote: In frn. ;)

By the way. Is your name SURFIN GRINGO, or SURFING RINGO? I'm not sure whether you're emphasising your identification as a white guy, or your identification as a Beatle.

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby The Mastiff » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:00 am

By the way. Is your name SURFIN GRINGO, or SURFING RINGO? I'm not sure whether you're emphasising your identification as a white guy, or your identification as a Beatle
I think he is a surfing gringo. As in a gringo that likes to surf?

I am wondering about the "S-series " . Do you mean the shock series as in S1, S7, etc.?

The vanadium steels were / are generally thought of as upgrades to the chromium stainless steels like 440C. That doesn't mean anyone should like them better though. 440C is about the only steel I don't care for but I like the rest. BG42 is still a favorite. Nostalgic I suppose rather than me thinking it is better in some way.

I find this request interesting. I would really like a 3V manix and it doesn't need lamination for me.

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Surfingringo » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:31 am

h8speech wrote:
Surfingringo wrote: In frn. ;)

By the way. Is your name SURFIN GRINGO, or SURFING RINGO? I'm not sure whether you're emphasising your identification as a white guy, or your identification as a Beatle.
It's surfing gringo. I grew up in the US but have lived for many years in Central America. And of course, I surf. My real name is Lance. Pleased to meet you sir. Welcome to the forum. :)

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby bearfacedkiller » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:25 am

There seems to be interest on the forums in aeb-l, 13c26 and 14c28n. Is there any interest in any them?
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SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby qazy » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:49 am

If AEB-L is heat treated by Devin Thomas, Im intrested.

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby jdw » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:26 pm

Could someone please tell me what type of steel that CTS-BD30P is? Is it similar to CTS-BD1? I have seen it posted before but I haven't really seen any knives with it. Is it a failed steel? Thanks!
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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby wrdwrght » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:36 pm

52100 is high on my list of steels to get because it is held in such high regard. Devin Thomas holds it in high regard, but holds AEB-L in even higher regard. In his FAQ, Thomas says:

"Roman Landes and John Verhoeven have both done different tests with AEB-L. In CATRA testing Dr. Verhoeven found AEB-L to outcut 52100, 1086, and Wootz damascus. He also found AEB-L to be able to take a smaller edge radius than 52100 in controlled sharpening tests. Roman Landes found AEB-L to have greater edge stability, toughness, and wear resistance than 52100. Edge stability is a property that describes a steel's ability to hold a finely sharpened edge. 52100 is one of the most well respected carbon steels, and is well known for its small carbides, high toughness, and high edge stability, so it's impressive that AEB-L was able to beat it in these categories, while also having greater wear resistance and being a stainless steel. Many users have reported that AEB-L sharpens as easily as any other carbon steel they have used."

So, yeah, I'd be all over AEB-L and its ilk in, say, a Shaman sprint.

The highness of the Shaman's saber grind would not ruin the steel's serious potential for slicing, I think. And I trust Spyderco to meet AEB-L's heat-treat challenge.
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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby bearfacedkiller » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:59 pm

jdw wrote:Could someone please tell me what type of steel that CTS-BD30P is? Is it similar to CTS-BD1? I have seen it posted before but I haven't really seen any knives with it. Is it a failed steel? Thanks!
No, BD1 is carpenters modern take on GIN-1, an older Japanese steel. Spyderco and Carpenter worked on it together. It is a powdered steel which is why it is an improvement on GIN1.

BD30P is just Carpenters name for S30V. They are the same recipe made by different foundries.

13c26 is Sandviks version of aeb-l. Again, same recipe by different foundries.

14c28n is an "upgraded" version of 13c26 that Kershaw and Sandvik came up with together.
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SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Bloke » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:39 pm

I agree! :cool:

More ZDP! :)
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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby h8speech » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:22 pm

Surfingringo wrote: It's surfing gringo. I grew up in the US but have lived for many years in Central America. And of course, I surf. My real name is Lance. Pleased to meet you sir. Welcome to the forum. :)

Thank you! Pleased to meet you too, Lance. I live in Sydney, and surf too. My name's Will.
bearfacedkiller wrote:There seems to be interest on the forums in aeb-l, 13c26 and 14c28n. Is there any interest in any them?
I'm quite interested in AEB-L. It's got the reputation of being able to achieve ridiculous levels of sharpness. Let's be honest - we don't use all our knives hard. Some of our knives are just for impressing people. I'd love to see an AEB-L Spyderco (preferably something intended for kitchen use etc) at a low angle (though I can regrind if necessary). It gets that "holy sh*t" level of sharpness, and it doesn't really need to hold it forever. I like sharpening. Most of you guys do too.

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby me2 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:44 pm

Is bd1 powder steel? I didn't think it was. I really like it. It's very similar to GIN -1 and 440B and could be within the elemental compositions of both, or very close. I have found it to be similar to S110V in side by side comparisons in edge holding. I would choose it over many steels based on ease of sharpening and cost. I have not tried hard testing for toughness, and my carbon steel knives don't really rust, so that's not an issue for my use and climate.

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Koop » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:07 pm

me2 wrote:Is bd1 powder steel? I didn't think it was. I really like it. It's very similar to GIN -1 and 440B and could be within the elemental compositions of both, or very close. I have found it to be similar to S110V in side by side comparisons in edge holding. I would choose it over many steels based on ease of sharpening and cost. I have not tried hard testing for toughness, and my carbon steel knives don't really rust, so that's not an issue for my use and climate.
I don't think so. From what I've read BD1 is a low alloy martensitic melted stainless steel. I think it's under-rated.
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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Joris Mo » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:35 pm

Surfingringo wrote:
bearfacedkiller wrote:Para2 sprint in BD1? Doesn't sound like a bad idea.
In frn. ;)
YES!!! :D

and once there's an FRN mold it should also be made in FRN/Cruwear and a couple of others.. ;)

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby Surfingringo » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:10 pm

Joris Mo wrote:
Surfingringo wrote:
bearfacedkiller wrote:Para2 sprint in BD1? Doesn't sound like a bad idea.
In frn. ;)
YES!!! :D

and once there's an FRN mold it should also be made in FRN/Cruwear and a couple of others.. ;)
FRN Cruwear PM2?? I'll have 3 please. ;)

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Re: more high-chromium steels please

Postby bearfacedkiller » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:53 pm

Oops, you are right. It is not a powdered steel. My mistake... It is a US made GIN1.
-Darby
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts. :p
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?


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