Surfingringo wrote:Hi hunter seeker, thanks for the followup response. I am not good at separating quotes on here so I'm going to interject a few observations and questions within your quote that I will just type in red text.
hunterseeker5 wrote:No, it isn't fish guts. If you assume everyone who presents evidence is lying, or highly unintelligent, you'll only ever be able to reach one conclusion. With all due respect, I believe you yourself are assuming that folks with vastly more experience than you are lying or mistaken.
The edge has never been sharpened, nor do there appear to be any spots of corrosion on the bevel. Does that not seem odd to you? The edge (especially the apex) is typically the first part of a knife to succumb to corrosion. If you believe H1 is rusting, how do you explain corrosion on the coating but not on the edge bevel?They are all on the laser work (logo, etc) and under the coating. I could have color corrected the photos to make it look redder and truer to life, but reading through this forum it is pretty obvious there are some people who aren't looking to be convinced of anything.
I'm not particularly worried about this. Doesn't seem like it is any threat to the structural integrity of the blade. And I've had corrosion issues with parts on spyderco knives in the past and gotten a **** of a runaround from their customer service, so why bother even bringing it up? I only post it because I am yet another example of an H1 spyderco with corrosion on it. I agree that you have what appears to be some form of corrosion on your knife but its not the H1 steel that is corroding And BTW, for those saying they have "NEVER" seen "legitimate" corrosion on an H1 spyderco before, I've seen examples posted on this forum before. Could you please post a link to one or more of those? I would like to see that. I strongly suspect you are remembering one or more pictures with a salt knife showing rust that leaked from either the hardware or pivot area after long term saltwater exposure. I have seen this happen on my salt knives. The hardware on the salt knives is HIGHLY stainless but is not h1 and will eventually show some corrosion if left constantly exposed to a salty environment. It usually starts after a couple of months of 24/7 exposure. It's rarely seen because not one out of thousand users subject their knives to that level of constant exposure. I have NEVER seen an example of H1 steel rusting. Like I said, if you have seen such an example then please post a link.Several long standing members who have been here longer than I and participate more than I very likely saw them as well.... and are now claiming or allowing claims of "I have never seen...." to go unchallenged. I'm not here to stomp on any fanboy, believe whatever you want to believe god knows there are better documented realities that larger numbers of people are only too happy to try to deny, but how many cases of rust popping up on the surface of H1 knives do you have to see before you'll be convinced it can happen? One would be a good start?Doesn't ruin them, I've never seen an H1 knife die or take any serious damage from corrosion under reasonable use, but personal attacks on a knife reviewer who bought a "rust proof" knife and who popped surface rust on it because you have "never seen it before" doesn't help anything. Agreed. Nutnfancy did indeed make an error in his assessment of what was happening to his knife but there is no reason to get personal or rude. He was making an observation on what he saw. Were he to do a good bit more testing he would eventually catch his error; or he could listen to those that have far more experience wth the steel...that's another way to learn things. Likewise, claiming that I'm a nut, that it must be fish guts, etc all in an effort to personally deny another example of it occurring.......
And to be clear, since some people struggle with this concept, I still like Spyderco, I still am happy with this and all the other H1 knives, after (could it really be?) almost a decade in and out of chlorine and salt with one of my original Salts I have seen no corrosion on it. I like Spyderco, I plan to buy a Caribbean when they come out, but denying reality and personal attacks help no one.
Ok hunterseeker, please let me make extremely clear that I am in no way trying to be rude or personal. I really do appreciate your feedback and I find it interesting seeing the spots on the coating of your blade. Makes me curious as to what is causing it. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and I understand why you are drawing those conclusions. You are, however, mistaken about the core issue of H1 itself rusting. Some of the things in your post I disagree with and that's where I typed in my responses. I assure you I'm not trying to be a wiseass with you so I hope it doesn't read that way. :)
You mistake my point/intent. When you advertise something as "rustproof" or "absolutely will not rust" or whatever the current Spyderco marketing verbiage is, to most people that would cover all corrosion under normal use conditions. Your argument is much much narrower, favorable to Spyderco, and isn't the interpretation most people would take from that which could be summarized as: no corrosion which will cause mechanical failure to the blade will occur. So when rust spots pop up on these blades you, and a majority of other forumites here, are quick to point out that it must be surface contamination on the blade from the factory grinding, or some superficial interaction with where logos were lasered on, etc.
Corrosion isn't just a means of mechanical blade failure though. The reality is that, precious few of us, have really caused mechanical damage to any of our knives with corrosion in normal use. It does however look ugly, rub off on things you cut, mar the knife, etc. From that perspective, a 400 series stainless like is common on inexpensive dive knives would also pop a few rust spots in use (I know, I've done it) but could be similarly, not identically, claimed as "not really rusting" because that rust is just on the surface and you can steel wool it off by your argument. So when the reality, that H1 blades can show surface rust from whatever source, comes out, while the Spyderco fanatical can say "that doesn't count," regular people broadly speaking won't see it that way. It doesn't mean that the H1 blade itself would rust into oblivion in a single lifetime, but that isn't the standard most people expect when they hear something is corrosion-free. And then to accuse those people of being crazy, or stirring up drama, or whatever..... it just isn't reasonable.
I realize it is difficult to get perspective when you're in the fray. But back up for a second and look at how this thread would read to someone who has never owned a Spyderco before? Some guy, a reasonably respected reviewer with no obvious conflict of interest, produces pretty plausible evidence of surface rust on a knife marketed as "rust proof." The response is an internet feeding frenzy with pages and pages of people piling on offering every imaginable manner of excuse or distraction, from personal insults to personal accounts. The result is easy to read as rabid, undirected, fanboyism. It isn't pretty. It is also the kind of thing that keeps a lot of people away from brands like BRK. I'll never convince the faithful that it isn't red algae or aliens or whatever, but I'm not trying to convince people who are trying not to listen. There are a lot more people reading than posting.
Does that make more sense?
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I do want to reiterate quickly that I don't think any of the H1 blades I've seen rust on are going to rust away or incur mechanical damage. I'll accept the argument that it is an interaction from the coating, caused by the laser, rub off from the grinder, or whatever. At no point did I say, or do I believe, the blades will rust away. That is a tangential point though.
