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Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:45 pm
by Spydergirl88
burlyspyder wrote:Got my new Advocate today. Interestingly, the bearing housings look black, not bronze/copper as I had expected and was shown in the newsletter. Has an LP production code, so I think that means it was 12/2017 production. I would say the action is smooth and crisp - far better than my positron. Just wonder if I got the CQI given the color of the bearing ring...any insights? Maybe it has oxidized?

-burly
Can you post a pic?

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:50 pm
by burlyspyder
*removed pic link*

It was really hard to get the rings with phone camera. I had to use a light, which distorts color a bit. The rings are definitely black... :confused:
I specifically asked for the newest batch with CQI when I spoke with the retailer. I wonder if the knife got swapped out at the retailer?

It flips nicely, but I do feel the bearings rolling (can definitely feel a bit of uneveness) when I slowly manually move the blade in and out. Does not currently appear to affect function.

-burly

EDIT: Looks like I counted wrong - LP would mean 12/2016? Ugh. Contacted retailer.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:17 pm
by Liquid Cobra
burlyspyder wrote:Got my new Advocate today. Interestingly, the bearing housings look black, not bronze/copper as I had expected and was shown in the newsletter. Has an LP production code, so I think that means it was 12/2017 production. I would say the action is smooth and crisp - far better than my positron. Just wonder if I got the CQI given the color of the bearing ring...any insights? Maybe it has oxidized?

-burly
LP production code would translate to December 2016, not December 2017 which means you most likely have the older pivot design.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:16 am
by ABX2011
Kristi wrote in another thread -
"Any Advocate now shipping from us has been updated. This includes shipments from SFO as well as those to our Dealers and Distributors. Having said that though, the knives were produced prior to this month so the date code on the box should not be used as an indicator."

Still it sounds like you have the older one based on the color of bearing housing.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:21 am
by Spydergirl88
first post in this thread stating halting further advocate shipments till they were cqi'd is from April 2017 so if your knife is from Dec 2016 and you specifically asked your dealer for an updated one that is very disappointing

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:54 am
by burlyspyder
Yes disappointing. I spoke with them and they said they are short-staffed at warehouse in VA and couldn't fulfill the request on the order.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:23 am
by Canazes9
burlyspyder wrote:Yes disappointing. I spoke with them and they said they are short-staffed at warehouse in VA and couldn't fulfill the request on the order.
I would ship it back COD and stop payment on my credit card. I have a low tolerance for being lied to. Tell me up front, we won't do that, no problem. Lie about it and try to make me eat it? Nope.

I am a Spyderco fan boy, but I think it is absolutely absurd that any of these old knives are still in circulation at retailers when Sal himself has publicly stated there was a problem with the design. Spyderco is damaging their reputation with their customers and their retailers by allowing this to continue.

David

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:48 am
by curlyhairedboy
burlyspyder wrote:Yes disappointing. I spoke with them and they said they are short-staffed at warehouse in VA and couldn't fulfill the request on the order.
I've spoken to that particular retailer before during my hunt for a symmetrically ground Southard. They categorically refused to do any kind of selection or binning process.

lots of other retailers are MORE than happy to do so...

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:50 pm
by palonej
murphjd25 wrote:
Evil D wrote:
murphjd25 wrote:I wouldn’t be concerned over what a few people said on YouTube. I’ve had NO PROBLEMS with any of my flippers.
That's the problem with this hobby, one negative comment by someone with enough followers and it becomes the gospel, and any positive feedback is dismissed as fanboying. I've completely stopped watching any knife reviews and really hesitate to make them myself anymore.
You are very correct. I haven’t watched any knife reviews after this whole debacle.

It really is a shame too, because the Advocate is my most carried knife during the work week. It is that great, and I don’t think many people have gave it a shot because of what a few people have said.
Same here Josh. I have an original Advocate, and it has become my favorite Spydie. Carry it for work, HVAC, every day for the last 5 months. Why?? Carries invisibly, slices like a pissed off demon, holds an edge beautifully and flips like a dream.
After using it quite hard for that time, it is still perfectly centered, no blade play whatsoever and locks up stupid tight.
I’ve caught some abuse for these outlandish claims, but they are true.
I kinda like how it looks with some battle scars too!
Joe

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:27 pm
by burlyspyder
So...I just received my second request for a new Advocate from the same retailer that provided the "LP" code previously (non-CQI). I purposefully requested the new one on the order form with the intent that the new and old return would pass each other in transit, and I would not get the same one.

I opened the package today to see that I got another "LP" code on the box. I disappointingly opened it, and found that the knife inside was "double bagged" (a plastic sheath inside re-taped bubble-wrap), not the normal Spyderco packaging. It has the new phosphor bronze rings and has distinctly different action. It is a bit tighter (slower), but is much smoother.

So - I am quite happy that I now have the new one, but it raises some concern with regard to the repackaging. There is now likely a box out there with a non-CQI advocate with a CQI production code. Spyderco (sal?) may want to ensure retailers are not repackaging ad-hoc. I doubt it would affect the registration or warranty for the customer (Spyderco is great there), but may be difficult to track for them if they do so. Perhaps it is a non-issue, but I felt it appropriate to bring up here.

Cheers,
-burly

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:36 pm
by Surfingringo
I really hope to see this design take off now. I won’t get into the debate about bearings and cqi but I’ll just say that this is an awesome design and it’s a shame it got off to a slow start. I have one of the early customs that Gayle made and it remains one of my all time favorite folders. Great blade shape and completely disappears in the pocket.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:10 pm
by sal
Hi Burly,

Welcome to our forum.

Pretty hard for us to chase down one knife. Glad you are pleased. Keep us posted.

sal

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:55 pm
by burlyspyder
Hi sal,
It's a great design and execution. I wasn't implying you should or could track that down, only that people shouldn't use the code to purchase by (which someone previously said), and that a warranty claim serial may not match the particular version of the knife.

Thanks for continuously making great products. I'll check in later after a few months of EDC, but after handling this for a bit, I am confident in the quality. Good stuff.

Cheers,
burly

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:54 pm
by 62Mini
Anyone know what dealers have the new pivot advocates in stock? Ive been waiting for them lol.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:40 am
by archangel
I had an itch the last couple of days. Something drove me to check my favorite dealer for new offerings day after day... And today it happened: the Advocate was listed as New Arrival.

I jumped the gun. It's inbound. Consider the M4 case closed for me. :)

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:28 pm
by 62Mini
archangel wrote:I had an itch the last couple of days. Something drove me to check my favorite dealer for new offerings day after day... And today it happened: the Advocate was listed as New Arrival.

I jumped the gun. It's inbound. Consider the M4 case closed for me. :)
What site is that?

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:04 pm
by archangel

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:41 pm
by 62Mini
I just bought one from BHQ and requested the new revised version. it came in today and its the old design. The marking on the box for the date are LP so Dec. 2016. looks like this one is going back to BHQ. I Don't think they're at dealers yet.

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:36 am
by archangel
I won't even try to find out if mine's a modified or an original design. My Southard flipps real nice. :)

Re: The Advocate - An Official Statement from Spyderco

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:48 pm
by TazKristi
62Mini wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:41 pm
I just bought one from BHQ and requested the new revised version. it came in today and its the old design. The marking on the box for the date are LP so Dec. 2016. looks like this one is going back to BHQ. I Don't think they're at dealers yet.
Hi, 62Mini:
The date code cannot be used as a reliable reference as to whether or not you received an original or the revised Advocate. Here's an image I posted back in January that should help you distinguish between the two.
Advocate_Bronze_CloseUp4.png
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Kristi