Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

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Would you be interested in an AEB-L Military?

Yes
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No
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29%
Maybe (explain)
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18%
 
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Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Evil D » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:19 am

The 52100 Military came as a bit of a surprise and seemed to be a hit with most people. I think many of us loved that steel, but for me it seems I need something a little more corrosion resistant for EDC. Given that the two steels are often regarded as having similar qualities apart from corrosion resistant, it seems like a steel that I would really enjoy.

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby MacLaren » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:16 am

David, I voted maybe. Reason being its a Millie and all Millies are good imo.
Reason I may not buy it is because of my CTS-204P Military. I reckon shes pretty good in the corrosion resistance dept.
Better than 52100 anyways. And every bit as a good slicer/cutter than 52100 imo. I know when I sent them both (52100&204p) to Jason Bosman to be sharpened, he was really impressed with the 204P Millie. Extremely sharp and very easy to get there with it. Said it was very nice. Add the good corrosion resistance to that and CTS-204P is a mighty fine steel I believe.
Not to make this all about 204p, that's just why I voted maybe :)

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Able Dog » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:55 am

Its another Sprint of the Military, and I want to try out AEB-L too. So it seems like a no-brainer for me. I'd certainly prefer the stainlessness of AEB-L compared to carbon steels like 52100.
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby SpyderNut » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:24 am

Yes, but I'd really like to see LC200N first in a Military.
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Doc Dan » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:36 am

I might buy one but first I want to get a Police 4. I prefer any Military over any Paramilitary. The PM is a fine knife, and better than anything coming out of Oregon, but I have had two, still have one, and just really do not like it that much. My hand feels a bit uncomfortable, which is a shame, as I want to like the knife. The Military is a wonderful knife and it fits my hand like it was made for it.
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby elena86 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:49 am

Evil D wrote:The 52100 Military came as a bit of a surprise and seemed to be a hit with most people. I think many of us loved that steel, but for me it seems I need something a little more corrosion resistant for EDC. Given that the two steels are often regarded as having similar qualities apart from corrosion resistant, it seems like a steel that I would really enjoy.

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby mb1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:02 pm

I probably would not, just because I wouldn't see the need to have that over my 204P user. But the more choices the merrier!

I just got my first AEB-L knife in December (hollow ground custom with thin edge), so it's a little early for me to comment on the steel, but I like it so far. Seems to be holding a nice edge and definitely got screaming sharp.

LC200N might get my attention more in terms of something different and bombproof on the corrosion front. Not that I'm a saltwater person and NEED that. ;)
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby RadioactiveSpyder » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:27 pm

In a heartbeat!!! :D

I have several fixed and folding knives in that steel from another maker (Jarosz) and I love the stuff! One of my most favorite steels that takes a ridiculous edge and holds it for quite a while under hard use. An excellent choice for a Military or Spyderco fixed blade sprint, and I'm honestly a bit surprised we haven't seen any offering in it based on how knifemakers rave about it online.
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby JD Spydo » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:16 pm

As I've declared on several occasions my current two favorite, dynamic duo of C-36 Military models are my XHP and my hallowed M390 Sprint Runs :cool: . I'm still kind of in pursuit of one of those 204P Sprint Runs because the two people I know that have them and carry them really love them.

Any C-36 Military I buy in the future will more than likely end up in my "user arsenal" :cool: About the only C-36 Military model I didn't like was the S30V of all things :rolleyes:

Well "Evil D" all I can say at this point is that in the past we've seemed to have a lot of similar "likes & dislikes" ( especially with blade steels) so I'll just take your word for it and vote in the YES slot even though I've yet to test drive this particular blade steel.

But one other important thing to keep in mind is that at some point we just have to have a new Sprint Run Spyderedged MILLIE>>and that would be up to the Great Spyder Factory which blade steel they would end up using in an SE Sprint run of the C-36 :cool:

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby sal » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:27 pm

Anybody got a chemistry handy?

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby dplafoll » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:31 pm

Maybe; the Millie is a bit too big for my taste, so it's really a "would you buy any Military?"
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Stuart Ackerman » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:11 pm


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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:12 pm

sal wrote:Anybody got a chemistry handy?

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I voted maybe only because I'm a lefty and would rather see AEB-L/13C26 in an ambi model, but I do like AEB-L in the custom I have and would like to see what Spyderco can do with it.
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:13 pm

Stuart Ackerman wrote:Chemistry, Sal? :)

https://www.alphaknifesupply.com/zdata- ... S-AEBL.htm
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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby yablanowitz » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:22 pm

I had to vote yes. I've bought at least one of each Military steel so far, I'd have to buy this one to keep the collection complete. I have a Ken Coats custom jackknife in 13C26 that I really like, so I just might carry it as well.

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby sal » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:23 pm

Thanx Stuart, Nate, appreciate.

Alpha is a really good company, good people.

AEB-L doesn't have much carbon. We've not used it before. Anybody maybe we can get Cliff over here? I need some Edge-u-cation.

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Stuart Ackerman » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:30 pm

Sal, I have sent Cliff a PM in his forum... :)

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby hoimin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:00 pm

Cliff talks about AEB-L, relative to S30V in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxl7SSwa3A
He brings it up about the 9:30 mark as a contrast in carbide cluster sizes in relation to edge retention. No mention of how to works, is heat treated, etc.

I first heard about this steel in Kitchen Knife Forums, where it is a very popular choice for some makers looking for a stainless, laser-y grind.

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby Stuart Ackerman » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:05 pm

Thanks for the video Hoimin...

My son is visiting St Johns for three months at the moment...just down the road from Cliff...

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Re: Would you buy an AEB-L Military?

Postby hoimin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:06 pm

From Devin Thomas: http://www.devinthomas.com/faq.html
Composition:
C Si Mn max P max S Cr
0.68 0.4 0.65 0.025 0.015 12.8

Few know what AEB-L steel is, and those that do, only have heard that it is similar to 440B or 440A. The only similarities between AEB-L and 440B or 440A is the amount of carbon. The fact that AEB-L has only 12.8% chromium by weight compared to the 16-17% in 440A and 440B makes the steels quite different. AEB-L is more similar to a stainless 52100 than 440A. A copy of AEB-L called 13C26 is made by Sandvik.

AEB-L naturally forms what is called the K2 carbide, the harder of the two chromium carbides, compared to the K1 carbide, which is formed in steels such as 440C. The K2 carbide is about 79 on the Rockwell C scale, compared to 72 for the K1 carbide. Through proper heat treatment, AEB-L has fine, evenly distributed K2 carbides. AEB-L lies almost perfectly on what is called the "Carbon Saturation Line", which means that all of the carbides formed are precipitated carbides, not primary carbides like are formed in 440C, and there is more carbon and a similar amount chromium in solution as compared to 440C. Primary carbides are very large. So, through a balanced composition, AEB-L has excellent toughness, edge retention, workability, ease of sharpening, and ease of polishing.


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