Just as the flipper sensation has clouded one of Spyderco's genuine claims to fame, gentrifying the affordable Tenacious will confuse Spyderco's best invitation to its wondrous brand.
These opinions are minority ones, I know.
I never understood why people feel a variation of a knife is somehow threatening to the original. This mentality suggests that a sprint run would also jeopardize the original model, which makes no sense. Nobody suggested that the original Tenacious be replaced by a more expensive version. It's just another option just as a sprint is another option.
Just as the flipper sensation has clouded one of Spyderco's genuine claims to fame, gentrifying the affordable Tenacious will confuse Spyderco's best invitation to its wondrous brand.
These opinions are minority ones, I know.
I never understood why people feel a variation of a knife is somehow threatening to the original. This mentality suggests that a sprint run would also jeopardize the original model, which makes no sense. Nobody suggested that the original Tenacious be replaced by a more expensive version. It's just another option just as a sprint is another option.
Well, then I must be wrong.
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I'm split between the choices, happy to still have it made in China with the same fit and finish but would like to see it offered with a different steel and scale option to keep the Tenacious fresh....this would result in a smaller price increase and make it easier to justify sitting along side the regular model.
Kinda what CRKT and Kershaw have already done with Squid and Skyline? I think this is totally doable.
Especially regarding the new 2017 catalog, the S30V Seki City models hint knife origins no longer strictly limit steel choices.
Plus there IS a gap for Spyderco liner locks between the current value series retailing at $40-50 and the sages starting from $100+.
You can argue that Delica, Endura, Native LW and BD1 Manix are already there, but the vacuum of edc-friendly liner lock knives around $60-80 from Spyderco does still drive some customers away―they turn to Kershaw Blur or Buck Vantage Pro for the better S30V steel at this price point, even if they prefer Spyderco ergonomics or cutting performance.
FCM415 wrote:Too bad it has yet to happen. Remember the one time discussed 52100 Tenacious? How about the time when Sal told us that a planned better steel Tenacious was scrapped because he didn't like the HT inconsistency (when they use non- China steels) in China facilities that he dealt with at the time. Maybe things change now and they can manage to HT (beyond BD1) to Sal's standards?
BTW, I think that they intend to have the Polestar fill a role somewhat of a higher end updated Tenacious.
Same concern on the HT here, currently in my mind a large Cat is probably the easier way to go.
But yeah let's see how the new Polestar works out first.
I am 100 percent with you, David! While the Chinese-made Spyderco Tenacious (and Byrds but that is a different topic!) are very good quality for that type of knife, I would like very much to see this happen, as you stated, a premium-quality Tenacious, as well as Resilience and others.
One concern I would have is this but it would still be worth it: How much price increase would there be? But it would definitely be worth it, as far as I can see.
Well, lets pretend a completely new model came that was. made in Golden with typical Golden materials that very closely resembled the Tenacious. I wonder how people's opinion of that would differ compared to this.
Evil D wrote:Well, lets pretend a completely new model came that was. made in Golden with typical Golden materials that very closely resembled the Tenacious. I wonder how people's opinion of that would differ compared to this.
I am all about that D. I want a Tenacious with a liner lock as good as the Millie and with diggity dank steel
Evil D wrote:Well, lets pretend a completely new model came that was. made in Golden with typical Golden materials that very closely resembled the Tenacious. I wonder how people's opinion of that would differ compared to this.
I would say that this isn't being received very well as the poll is and has been sitting around the 50/50 mark. Doesn't bode well for a premium tenacious. In a way Spyderco is already experimenting with this idea by offering some Byrd knives with bd-1 steel as well as those other models with titanium scales. perhaps that's the real test for a premium Tenacious. If those do well in sales, this could happen one day.
Personally I don't really see the point. Raise the price of this knife and you might as well jump to a PM2 or Manix. Not only do you get better steel, everything else gets a bump in quality as well, including the knifes design. It could create confusion for the masses if this knife was offered with other steels. Sure we knife folk would get it but the average consumer at Walmart probably wouldn't. That probably has to be taken into account now that they are being sold there.
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A company only has so much production capacity to invest in and variety doesn't always translate to profits. The Tenacious is a value folder and making it with premium steel may just cannibalize profits from other models. Spyderco addicts who want it all make up only a small percentage of overall sales.
The blade edge going back to the handle is a feature that keeps the Tenacious line unique to some people which is why they don't regard a higher end version as "might as well buy a Para2 or Manix."
In this sense, the Polestar's lack of a finger choil and edge, makes it more akin to the Tenacious than the Raven.
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I still don't understand how this new knife would get in the way so much. How many new models come out each year? Does the S110V Military confuse buyers who are looking for the standard S30V Military? How many versions of the Delica have their been, ranging from the standard version which can be had for $65 all the way up to the 25th Anniversary version which retailed for $530. How do all those variants not cause the issues you guys say a better Tenacious would cause? This is the exact same idea.
FCM415 wrote:The blade edge going back to the handle is a feature that keeps the Tenacious line unique to some people which is why they don't regard a higher end version as "might as well buy a Para2 or Manix."
In this sense, the Polestar's lack of a finger choil and edge, makes it more akin to the Tenacious than the Raven.
This is what surprises me so much about this topic. The idea that stepping over to a Para or other more expensive model automatically means a better knife overall, which couldn't be further from the truth. If it were so easy to dismiss by saying "well just buy this model instead" then the Spyderco catalog would look a lot more like a CRK catalog. It's almost as if people don't believe the knife could ever be worth Para 2 money regardless of the materials put into it. Those are the same people who still see a Shelby Mustang as an over priced Mustang despite the list of upgrades.
