Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

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Should S30V be phased out for regular prodution models?

Yes
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24%
No
69
64%
Don't care
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12%
 
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby elena86 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:54 pm

If they would replace it with CTS-XHP I vote YES otherwise I vote NO.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby SteelSpyder » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:21 pm

I might be a weirdo, but I wouldn't mind seeing it phased out in favor of S35VN. As far as Spyderco goes I prefer their S35VN. But again, I'm sure I'm in the minority.

CTS-XHP would be a great option too.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby Chumango » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:43 pm

SteelSpyder wrote:I might be a weirdo, but I wouldn't mind seeing it phased out in favor of S35VN. As far as Spyderco goes I prefer their S35VN. But again, I'm sure I'm in the minority.
You may be in the minority but you are not alone. I also prefer S35VN over S30V. It is a "standard" Spyderco steel that has, in my opinion, a better balance of properties. You really give up nothing and gain some things, like less tendency to chip and better edge quality (or easier achievement of edge quality).

As for edge retention, I can't tell them apart in normal use or in measured cardboard cutting comparisons.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby awa54 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:48 pm

Chumango wrote:
SteelSpyder wrote:I might be a weirdo, but I wouldn't mind seeing it phased out in favor of S35VN. As far as Spyderco goes I prefer their S35VN. But again, I'm sure I'm in the minority.
You may be in the minority but you are not alone. I also prefer S35VN over S30V. It is a "standard" Spyderco steel that has, in my opinion, a better balance of properties. You really give up nothing and gain some things, like less tendency to chip and better edge quality (or easier achievement of edge quality).

As for edge retention, I can't tell them apart in normal use and in measured cardboard cutting comparisons.
On top of that isn't S35VN supposed to be easier to grind and polish than S30V? BTW, I agree that getting a polished edge seems a tad easier with S35VN.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby NickShabazz » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:16 pm

If I could snap my fingers and replace every ounce of S30V with S35VN or XHP, I'd do it in a heartbeat. S30V is just no fun to sharpen. But I'm not going to pay very much more for the privilege.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby Bugs » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:36 pm

I like these kind of threads if for no other reason than I can learn something. As a relative novice to sharpening could someone elaborate on the problems of sharpening S30V and any advice when sharpening S30V.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby SteelSpyder » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:45 pm

Chumango wrote:
SteelSpyder wrote:I might be a weirdo, but I wouldn't mind seeing it phased out in favor of S35VN. As far as Spyderco goes I prefer their S35VN. But again, I'm sure I'm in the minority.
You may be in the minority but you are not alone. I also prefer S35VN over S30V. It is a "standard" Spyderco steel that has, in my opinion, a better balance of properties. You really give up nothing and gain some things, like less tendency to chip and better edge quality (or easier achievement of edge quality).

As for edge retention, I can't tell them apart in normal use and in measured cardboard cutting comparisons.
These are my exact experiences as well.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby SteelSpyder » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:47 pm

Bugs wrote:I like these kind of threads if for no other reason than I can learn something. As a relative novice to sharpening could someone elaborate on the problems of sharpening S30V and any advice when sharpening S30V.
I wouldn't say there are exactly inherit problems with sharpening S30V. For me I prefer S35VN because of the type of edge it takes, which generally seems more refined. S30V feels more aggressive to me even when sharpened to the same grit.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby tripscheck'em » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:20 pm

Bugs wrote:I like these kind of threads if for no other reason than I can learn something. As a relative novice to sharpening could someone elaborate on the problems of sharpening S30V and any advice when sharpening S30V.
With 4% vanadium, it just takes longer in general, also depends on what abrasive you're using. With a fine ceramic or similar, you're going to have to be extra consistent with your angle because the vanadium is so hard to grind. You're going to want the knife to already shave easily before going to fine abrasives, and don't have a convex edge. Before even sharpening, you should also accept the fact that it is going to take much longer to get it right again, depending on how blunt it is, that makes it easier.

its easy to get to shave, but getting it to the next level of sharpness, the hair-carving level is pretty hard, at least I haven't done it yet.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby MCM » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:30 pm

I phased it out years ago. But it will probably stick around due to price and popularity with the masses.
For some reason I never really cared for it.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby vivi » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:37 pm

Not at all. S30V is one of the best balance of blade steel attributes and Spyderco has the heat treat down. My S30V Para 2 has performed flawlessy. Why would you want it discontinued?

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby SpyderNut » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:11 pm

I voted no, but only because it would be challenging to find a suitable replacement that would be superior in terms of performance and yet also cost about the same as S30V.
In truth, a number of other cutlery companies use S30V and even VG-10 in their higher-end models.
We're just a bit spoiled that Spyderco offers so many other steel options! ;)
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby Donut » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:16 pm

I like it because it helps to motivate me to "not buy" some of the super expensive models. Lately there are more things convincing me to not buy some of the higher end models, such as: being frame locks and titanium for the sake of titanium. But "just S30V" also helps me avoid some of them where I might be on the line.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby PaleMoon » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:51 pm

I voted no. I really like S30V in larger folders for the toothy edge I can easily put on it (I generally won't sharpen past SM medium rods). I appreciate the more affordable price point, too, as these are the kind of knives I will abuse more. On smaller, more refined gentleman folders, I prefer other steels.

As far as S35VN, I only have it from other makers and it hasn't really wowed me yet. Doesn't seem to excel at anything in particular. I guess you could call it "too" balanced for me :)
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby Water Bug » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:24 pm

I voted, "No." Why fix something that ain't broke?
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby michaelm466 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:22 pm

I voted yes, replace it with a "better" (IMO) all-arounder like M390/204P

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby Cujobob » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:51 pm

michaelm466 wrote:I voted yes, replace it with a "better" (IMO) all-arounder like M390/204P
The average person can't really sharpen those steels very well I would think. The people buying $100 knives are often at the top of their budget and are used to inexpensive easy to sharpen steels. I would think the S30V range is as difficult to sharpen as you'd want to go for a popular offering.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby Cujobob » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:57 pm

SpyderNut wrote:I voted no, but only because it would be challenging to find a suitable replacement that would be superior in terms of performance and yet also cost about the same as S30V.
In truth, a number of other cutlery companies use S30V and even VG-10 in their higher-end models.
We're just a bit spoiled that Spyderco offers so many other steel options! ;)
A replacement doesn't have to be 'superior.' You can change from S30V and get similar traits but improve on the downsides of the steel, namely, sharpening - performance ratio. CTS-XHP may be the only good choice outside of S35VN because it's American made and has similar edge holding. Perhaps a good nitrogen steel would make sense.

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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby MCM » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:49 am

The bummer is when a new model comes out with a steel that's not on your favorites list.
Never really warmed up to S30V or D2. Just me I guess.
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Re: Sunday Poll - Should S30V be phased out?

Postby demoncase » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:55 am

Phase out S30v? HERESY! ;)

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