If I were upgrading the Delica

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby dplafoll » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:59 am

One thing to remember is that the Chaparral is the only lockback from Taichung, and the Native is the only lockback from Golden, and the Delica family is all from Japan. They may not be able to do a whole lot to change the lock if that's how the Japan OEM(s) make their locks.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby jstrange » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:38 am

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That makes a good point, but also raises a few questions. Does a Spyderco give them some basic designs/criteria and then let them make the knife how they chose, or does Spyderco design the knife and have them make it? If it's the latter, then I would think the manufacturer could implement design changes or improvements into product at the request of Spyderco. Assuming that the changes are not too radical and that they are capable of doing so.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby ejames13 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:38 am

I would think upgrading to the Native style back lock would increase weight.

I'm very happy with the way the Delica is now. I disagree with the idea of lengthening the blade. The current length gives the perfect amount of tip control for me. Make it any longer and you lose some of that ability. Definitely don't thicken the blade either. There are plenty of other knives with thicker stock. The Delica is a great slicer, let's keep it that way.

I do agree with what someone mentioned about using a different coating on the pocket clip. Switch to a silver clip or parkerize it like the Golden made black clips. Also would love to see HAP40 in regular production, but I doubt that'll ever happen because it's not a stainless steel.

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Jazz » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:49 am

I say it's more than fine how it is. I'll say this again though - we need another HAP 40 run of Delicas, please. Also, if you're any kind of Wharncliffe or straight edge fan, just wait til you get your hands on a Delica Wharnie, and if you're not, I think it'll change your mind. ;)
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby elena86 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:52 am

Stronger back lock , longer blade and silver clip should be enough.

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Spydergirl88 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:53 am

Jazz wrote:I say it's more than fine how it is. I'll say this again though - we need another HAP 40 run of Delicas, please. Also, if you're any kind of Wharncliffe or straight edge fan, just wait til you get your hands on a Delica Wharnie, and if you're not, I think it'll change your mind. ;)
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Cujobob » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:57 am

dplafoll wrote:One thing to remember is that the Chaparral is the only lockback from Taichung, and the Native is the only lockback from Golden, and the Delica family is all from Japan. They may not be able to do a whole lot to change the lock if that's how the Japan OEM(s) make their locks.
The Tatanka come from Japan, I believe. I'm sure they can modify the lock design if they wanted to. Doing so may increase the thickness of the knife though which may be something they want to avoid.

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Jazz » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:23 am

Spydergirl88 wrote: Eagerly awaiting this knife's release... Any eta?
I'd like to know also. I really want a couple - nice shiny new VG 10 blades with the Spyderco logo on them. The proto is beautiful, but it's missing the bug. :eek: :p Also, I don't really want to wear it out any further. Maybe Sal will let us know soon. Should be quicker because it already has a handle made.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby akaAK » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:31 am

Not sure if there is much I would change about the Delica 4. Stronger locks are great but the extra complexity, finishing or material will make them more expensive. Have used a Delica for a lot of years and never had an issue with lock strength.

Steel choices would be nice but am pretty happy with VG10, ZDP and Hap40.

The only thing I would like to see is SE and CE in the full flat ground versions (different steel options for SE as well) and the availability of a G10 handled version.

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby MichaelScott » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:25 am

Watched Jazz's video (thanks, Jazz for putting that together). I'd say it makes the point that the Delica platform is perfect for a true every day use knife, especially with a Wharncliffe blade. I'm actually quite happy with the Delica's other features and a Wharncliffe blade would be the icing on that cake. I will certainly get one when they become available.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Ryno » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:04 pm

harronek wrote:The only changes needed are make Hap40 steel standard production , and improve the black paint on the clip so it doesn't wear off and scratch at the slightest bump and knock .

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Halfneck » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:00 pm

Leave my Delica alone! ;)

Pretty much love my Delica 4s just the way they are. Fit my hand even better than my old Delica 3s. Loved the original Delica, but love the screw construction on the new ones and the clips. I agree that the clip coating doesn't last. A better coating, or none at all might be a solution. I'd also like shallower grooves in the FRN. You'd still have a grippy enough texture, but it would be easier to get gunk out of it.

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:03 pm

elena86 wrote:Stronger back lock , longer blade and silver clip should be enough.

Regarding the longer blade issue, isn't the Endura the "Longer Blade Version" of the Delica, and the Delica is the "Shorter Blade Version" of the Endura, that kind of thing?

Are you saying you would like to see a Delica with a blade length between its present length and that of the Endura, like a "Medium Sized Endura"?

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Doc Dan » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:42 pm

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The Tatanka come from Japan, I believe. I'm sure they can modify the lock design if they wanted to. Doing so may increase the thickness of the knife though which may be something they want to avoid.[/quote]

This is the main reason I was suggesting the Chaparral lock. It is more updated, without any blade play, and can me obviously made very thin.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby elena86 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:37 am

SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
elena86 wrote:Stronger back lock , longer blade and silver clip should be enough.

Regarding the longer blade issue, isn't the Endura the "Longer Blade Version" of the Delica, and the Delica is the "Shorter Blade Version" of the Endura, that kind of thing?

Are you saying you would like to see a Delica with a blade length between its present length and that of the Endura, like a "Medium Sized Endura"?
I'm just saying that I'd like a blade as close as possible to 3 inch .

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Doc Dan » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:52 am

I get you on that. I am fine with the length that it is, myself. But, I can understand someone wanted to have a Caly3 length blade in a Delica.

On another note, has anyone thought of Paperstone as a scale material? I am not certain how it would work on the Delica, but it feels good in the hand on knives I have seen that have this material.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby bearfacedkiller » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:41 am

Doc Dan wrote:I get you on that. I am fine with the length that it is, myself. But, I can understand someone wanted to have a Caly3 length blade in a Delica.

On another note, has anyone thought of Paperstone as a scale material? I am not certain how it would work on the Delica, but it feels good in the hand on knives I have seen that have this material.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby dplafoll » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:08 pm

I know that they're working on a LOT of possible handle materials for the Chaparral and that several of them haven't been viable. That research ought to yield some positive results at some point.
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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby tvenuto » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:09 pm

dplafoll wrote:I know that they're working on a LOT of possible handle materials for the Chaparral and that several of them haven't been viable. That research ought to yield some positive results at some point.
I held 3 of those in Amsterdam 2 years ago and I'll tell you it's a huge shame they didn't work out, several of them were very awesome.

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Re: If I were upgrading the Delica

Postby Holzfaeller » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:28 pm

For my use, I would like a bit more of a hand-filling handle on the Delica. My aging fingers don't always close tightly. Also I would like a thinner sabre grind.


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