Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

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Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

Postby JasonC6612 » Sun May 29, 2016 9:45 am

Do you usually notice minute differences between Sal and Erics designs? It's interesting to see how father and son can design so similarly yet differently.
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Re: Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

Postby The Deacon » Sun May 29, 2016 11:49 am

Only someone from Spyderco could say for sure but, as with all of the other early models, I'd say it's a 99.9% certainty that Sal designed the Police and Civilian. Cat and Chicago don't seem to have any "maker's mark" on them, so I'd guess they're both collaborative efforts by the entire Spyderco design team, rather than just Sal and/or Eric.
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Re: Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

Postby sal » Sun May 29, 2016 10:13 pm

Hi Jason,

They're all my designs. The Cat & Chicago are an evolution of the Salsa design. The Police 1 was a Mariner with a point. We're getting ready for a Police 4. The Civilian was a project for undercover LEO's, The Matriarch is an evo of the Civvie.

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Postby Studey » Sun May 29, 2016 10:26 pm

sal wrote:Hi Jason,

They're all my designs. The Cat & Chicago are an evolution of the Salsa design. The Police 1 was a Mariner with a point. We're getting ready for a Police 4. The Civilian was a project for undercover LEO's, The Matriarch is an evo of the Civvie.

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Sal, any details you're able to share about the Police 4? G10, stainless frame, titanium?

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Postby sal » Mon May 30, 2016 6:35 am

Thin G-10 scale - mid lock-back - slight blade shape change - non Japanese steel.

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Postby Evil D » Mon May 30, 2016 7:27 am

That's exciting. Can you tell is if this is based off the Police 3 or the standard version? Meaning, choil or no choil?
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Postby sal » Mon May 30, 2016 12:05 pm

Hi Evil,

I would say it's just a further refinement of the design, "as sal see's it". The Police has been a pet project for a long time and would like to keep it moving. It's basically a large knife, circa 4" blade, which I personally feel is somewhat ideal in the real world. A folder with a blade much larger that 4 - 4 1/2" starts the beg the fixed blade concept. We make smaller knives to service a civilized world with the impressions, concerns and laws of the civilized world. We don't want to intentionally scare anyone, yet stlil be able to perform the function of cut.

But when I'm on the mountain, like today. I ll take a Millie or a Police just to have the advantave of the larger blade. This next mod is the result of my carrying and using the model and some small details that I thought I improve. It retains the finger choil, (which I find convenient as a work knife), lock-back, etc.

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Postby Studey » Mon May 30, 2016 12:41 pm

Looking forward to it, thanks Sal!

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Postby Evil D » Mon May 30, 2016 1:55 pm

sal wrote:Hi Evil,

I would say it's just a further refinement of the design, "as sal see's it". The Police has been a pet project for a long time and would like to keep it moving. It's basically a large knife, circa 4" blade, which I personally feel is somewhat ideal in the real world. A folder with a blade much larger that 4 - 4 1/2" starts the beg the fixed blade concept. We make smaller knives to service a civilized world with the impressions, concerns and laws of the civilized world. We don't want to intentionally scare anyone, yet stlil be able to perform the function of cut.

But when I'm on the mountain, like today. I ll take a Millie or a Police just to have the advantave of the larger blade. This next mod is the result of my carrying and using the model and some small details that I thought I improve. It retains the finger choil, (which I find convenient as a work knife), lock-back, etc.

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Awesome, I'll be waiting for this one. I've always been on the fence about the Police 3 but I like the sound of this.
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Postby SpyderNut » Mon May 30, 2016 6:54 pm

The Police 4 project is quite intriguing, Sal. Just a few questions:

By chance will this be a screw-together construction or will it be a pinned?

Will the choil area be more "pronounced," as similar to
the new G-10 Stretch (ZDP-189)?

Will it feature a FFG or HG blade (with the original swedge)?

I'd love to see any pictures of a proto of this, if possible. Thanks!
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Postby Doc Dan » Tue May 31, 2016 10:26 am

Okay, now I am intrigued by the P4. I did not like the Police and like the P3 much better. Now, the P4 sounds like it might be the one that tips me over the edge.
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Re: Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

Postby flash900 » Tue May 31, 2016 4:14 pm

The original Cat and Chicago in CF were two of my early favorites -- many thanks, Sal.

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Postby JasonC6612 » Tue May 31, 2016 4:54 pm

flash900 wrote:The original Cat and Chicago in CF were two of my early favorites -- many thanks, Sal.
I currently own a new cat in bd1 I agree it's a GREAT design but never had cf scale version in my hands. However, this cat is my current favorite to edc due to the fact it performs like a knife of larger size and despite the lack of cf, I am beyond satisfied with this g10. I've been asking a lot about these knives lately because these are my current FAVORITES and I take pride in knowing who's designs are who's so I can not only show off the knife and company but the names of the genius minds behind the product. I really enjoy telling others who designed it. Well thank you for responding Sal that means a lot to everyone I'm sure of that! What was the very first spyderco design Eric came up with? That would be SOOO AWESOME to see
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Postby SpyderNut » Tue May 31, 2016 5:51 pm

JasonC6612 wrote:
flash900 wrote:The original Cat and Chicago in CF were two of my early favorites -- many thanks, Sal.
I currently own a new cat in bd1 I agree it's a GREAT design but never had cf scale version in my hands. However, this cat is my current favorite to edc due to the fact it performs like a knife of larger size and despite the lack of cf, I am beyond satisfied with this g10. I've been asking a lot about these knives lately because these are my current FAVORITES and I take pride in knowing who's designs are who's so I can not only show off the knife and company but the names of the genius minds behind the product. I really enjoy telling others who designed it. Well thank you for responding Sal that means a lot to everyone I'm sure of that! What was the very first spyderco design Eric came up with? That would be SOOO AWESOME to see
I'm not Sal obviously, but I believe Eric's first production model was the Dodo, IIRC.
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Postby JasonC6612 » Tue May 31, 2016 6:03 pm

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flash900 wrote:The original Cat and Chicago in CF were two of my early favorites -- many thanks, Sal.
I currently own a new cat in bd1 I agree it's a GREAT design but never had cf scale version in my hands. However, this cat is my current favorite to edc due to the fact it performs like a knife of larger size and despite the lack of cf, I am beyond satisfied with this g10. I've been asking a lot about these knives lately because these are my current FAVORITES and I take pride in knowing who's designs are who's so I can not only show off the knife and company but the names of the genius minds behind the product. I really enjoy telling others who designed it. Well thank you for responding Sal that means a lot to everyone I'm sure of that! What was the very first spyderco design Eric came up with? That would be SOOO AWESOME to see

I'm not Sal obviously, but I believe Eric's first production model was the Dodo, IIRC.

It's beautiful... :O I'm going to get one just for that lol
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Re: Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

Postby Jwc77 » Tue May 31, 2016 8:02 pm

I don't know why the Chicago doesn't get more love than it does. I have the current BD1 version with G10 and love it! The build is outstanding...it is so smooth...and the size is ideal for the days where you want a smaller (but still very capable) blade. Sure. It would be nice to have jimping...but my grip is confident even without. I like it so much that I'm sure I will eventually purchase it's bigger brother the Cat. The Chicago is one of my two favorite Spydercos along with my Yojimbo 2...it's that good!

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Postby sal » Tue May 31, 2016 9:11 pm

Hi Jwc77,

Welcome to our forum and thanx for the kind words.

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Postby araneae » Tue May 31, 2016 9:18 pm

Wait, the Cat went to BD-1?
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Postby JasonC6612 » Tue May 31, 2016 10:35 pm

araneae wrote:Wait, the Cat went to BD-1?
Yes! I Own one but I have one question. Why? Why not 440c anymore? Bd1 is okay from what people told me (I'm a knife newb) so why a change? But AMERICAN steel for those who are into that which is awesome.
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Re: Who designed the Chicago and Cat? The Civilian? The Police?

Postby JasonC6612 » Tue May 31, 2016 10:39 pm

Jwc77 wrote:I don't know why the Chicago doesn't get more love than it does. I have the current BD1 version with G10 and love it! The build is outstanding...it is so smooth...and the size is ideal for the days where you want a smaller (but still very capable) blade. Sure. It would be nice to have jimping...but my grip is confident even without. I like it so much that I'm sure I will eventually purchase it's bigger brother the Cat. The Chicago is one of my two favorite Spydercos along with my Yojimbo 2...it's that good!
Why don't either of them get much love? :( I never held a chicago but thank god (well, sal in this scenario) for the pictures in the catalog being actual size for the most part, I was able to compare it to my cat and decided to buy it. They're a classy, compact, workhorse and I was so unnecessarily skeptical of the cat before buying Im so grateful I did anyway lol
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