Hello, i bought NEW knife Spyderco Endura and i must noticed, that its really , because after test in state office - blade hardness is 49 HRC only!!! Its Czech official certified state department, tests for steel quality. They laugh here, after test and said me, its "instant american quality". Here, on the knife is write ATS-55,its perhaps some special vietnamese steel from Spyderco <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)I take this knife back to shop, and i want back money ,because i will not pay money (cost here in Czech perhaps 199usd)for******from Spyderco....they laught in office after hardness test and said me, never knife from "hamburger" firm Spyderco. Im really NARKY of it...,and in addition, that i wanted buy SOG or Emerson knife, but at the end i select Spyderco Endura, so im debil ....
Sorry my english, but i must write here,because its fraudulent firm,Spyderco.
And this story have continue, today morning i change knife in shop,where i bought (they without gups gave me new knife, when they saw certificate about hardness ...), but i would go back to state office and here they make again test,at the new knife,and result ? HRC 52 ....And one my friend have some Benchmade knife, he was with me in the laboratory and after my wish he leave tested his knife and his knife have had hardness 60HRC..
Tomorrow i go back to shop a i want MONEY back, and NEVER i will not Spyderco ....
have a nice day
Simona
***edited for profantity, which is not acceptable on this forum***
Edited by - Carlos on 1/2/2003 12:18:58 PM
I got knife Spyderco Endura, but perhaps its some****** i mean...
Simona,
I'm sorry you think that Spyderco does not live up to your expectations, however I do not believe your story. I think you have made this up and are trying to spread false rumors and cause trouble. Please take your crude attempt to stir the pot somewhere else. Your attempt to bash the United States is childish and as clear as glass. Good day and get a life.
Shawn
Why jump from a perfectly good airplane? Because I can : )
I'm sorry you think that Spyderco does not live up to your expectations, however I do not believe your story. I think you have made this up and are trying to spread false rumors and cause trouble. Please take your crude attempt to stir the pot somewhere else. Your attempt to bash the United States is childish and as clear as glass. Good day and get a life.
Shawn
Why jump from a perfectly good airplane? Because I can : )
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pyton357ru
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to dzscubie:: really not dear, i have not reason make some troubles - i have american car, american furniture,american cosmetics, american dresses and shoes, american computers, american camera, american underwear and i never had problem, and im happy and satisfied of it, from all..
dont mix please,different things, if i got similar problem with german or i dont know france knife, i write the same ...
Now i have at my body american panties Calvin Klein and im satisfied 1000% <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>,and write this messages at american computer HP, so please dont mix ...
dont mix please,different things, if i got similar problem with german or i dont know france knife, i write the same ...
Now i have at my body american panties Calvin Klein and im satisfied 1000% <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>,and write this messages at american computer HP, so please dont mix ...
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glockman99
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Barefoot_Simona,
...Calvin Klein panties? Well, where's the pictures of you wearing your Calvin Klein panties? <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
As far as the hardness testing goes, maybe the numbers are different where you are, compared to what we use in the USA...You know, the metric thing? Maybe your 49 would be 58 here in the USA?
Dann Fassnacht Aberdeen, WA glockman99@hotmail.com ICQ: 53675663
...Calvin Klein panties? Well, where's the pictures of you wearing your Calvin Klein panties? <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
As far as the hardness testing goes, maybe the numbers are different where you are, compared to what we use in the USA...You know, the metric thing? Maybe your 49 would be 58 here in the USA?
Dann Fassnacht Aberdeen, WA glockman99@hotmail.com ICQ: 53675663
to glockman :: <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> ahaa, so my photo in the Calvin Klein panties here ?!you wicked boy ...<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>,you want change knife forum to some sex forum ?<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>,,,
unfortunately is the same here...,hardness table, same in us and here, sure, i ask ...,,but you see how rough im attacked from some nickname dz....,when i wrote here all,but i have not reason,when i was in the shop,and i select this knife, i meant, and i bought from reason, that its super american knife, quality...,hm..,and im not some knife expert, but i have one known girlfriend and her father work in test laboratory, so hence, from fun only i leave make here steel test, its state department (i dont know perhasp right words in english, sorry..)laboratory, here test steel for nuclear electric power stations, for army and etc.,so its 100%.so sure, i musnt write here nothing, i take knife and i will go back to shop and money back, and its..,but im used,that when i got some bad, i will not silence, its all...,im not idiotic girl, who shut up...,, and in addition, i look at knives perhaps 2 months, than i select...i look at internet, i ask known boys and etc..,result my purchase you see here...,so im dissapointed and sad of it 10x more...,,its all, what i try say ..
unfortunately is the same here...,hardness table, same in us and here, sure, i ask ...,,but you see how rough im attacked from some nickname dz....,when i wrote here all,but i have not reason,when i was in the shop,and i select this knife, i meant, and i bought from reason, that its super american knife, quality...,hm..,and im not some knife expert, but i have one known girlfriend and her father work in test laboratory, so hence, from fun only i leave make here steel test, its state department (i dont know perhasp right words in english, sorry..)laboratory, here test steel for nuclear electric power stations, for army and etc.,so its 100%.so sure, i musnt write here nothing, i take knife and i will go back to shop and money back, and its..,but im used,that when i got some bad, i will not silence, its all...,im not idiotic girl, who shut up...,, and in addition, i look at knives perhaps 2 months, than i select...i look at internet, i ask known boys and etc..,result my purchase you see here...,so im dissapointed and sad of it 10x more...,,its all, what i try say ..
Barefoot_Simona,
Welcome to the Spydie forum!!! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Did you do any cutting with the Endura?? or just test the hardness?? Did you test the cutting edge?? or the back edge of the knife??
Sometimes it can make a difference. Do you have a picture of the blade where the test was performed?? Just wondering.
<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Blades
Welcome to the Spydie forum!!! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Did you do any cutting with the Endura?? or just test the hardness?? Did you test the cutting edge?? or the back edge of the knife??
Sometimes it can make a difference. Do you have a picture of the blade where the test was performed?? Just wondering.
<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Blades
Within certain limits, Rockwell Hardness is not a very good indicator of how well a knife blade will perform. There is a difference between "hardness" and "toughness" to metallurgists, and you can make some steels so hard that they're brittle like glass - not a great feature for a knife blade.
On a more positive note, I got my Combo Edge VG-10 Endura today, and I'm tickled pink with it. Might just be the perfect medium-large EDC <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Dan
On a more positive note, I got my Combo Edge VG-10 Endura today, and I'm tickled pink with it. Might just be the perfect medium-large EDC <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Dan
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Hello Simona, and welcome to the Forum. I am sorry that you have a bad first impression about the Endura. <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> I will try to clear some things and maybe lift up your mood a bit.
First, I also have some ATS-55 knife (a Delica and a Copilot) and they perform great. I didn't have the opportunity to do a Rockwell test and frankly I don't mind as long as my Delica cuts like hell. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> It is true that the specs for ATS-55 range between 59÷61 Rc. so your results are to say the least, very unpleasant <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>.
I'd like to know what it is written on the blade (Seki City or Golden).
First, I also have some ATS-55 knife (a Delica and a Copilot) and they perform great. I didn't have the opportunity to do a Rockwell test and frankly I don't mind as long as my Delica cuts like hell. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> It is true that the specs for ATS-55 range between 59÷61 Rc. so your results are to say the least, very unpleasant <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>.
I'd like to know what it is written on the blade (Seki City or Golden).
to Blades::: so first thank you for you Welcome, because,so you read up <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> mm, first test point i see, is near lettering SPYDERCO(under is write ATS-55),but two peoples in laboratory was surprised after and they said its not possible, because its sign as ats 55 steel and 49 ?, so second test point is at second side, on the blade, directly in middle area, perhaps 7 mm above the edge and same result...and after they laugh,and noticed, what i wrote up...and in addition they smile, that i bought knife Made in McDonalds...
And i notice again, one my known boy,leave test his knife here, Benchmade, and hardness 60, so i dont know, i have not feelings, that, they in laboratory or mine is idiot...
And i notice again, one my known boy,leave test his knife here, Benchmade, and hardness 60, so i dont know, i have not feelings, that, they in laboratory or mine is idiot...
to dialex::: haj <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>so i dont know, if i get back my mood <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> perhaps tomorrow, when i get back money for knife in shop...,they said,(i must notice that they are serious salesmans there) that,if second knife will bad, they give me money back and will something solve with some spyderco dealer and in newsletters also...so i must take knife and tomorrow i will go there
so and i will have not nothing from tomorrow and is ...
Maybe, maybe is strange why,why 25 yrs.old girl need some sharp knife <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> so i try explain, but sorry my english first <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>, i have had 2 months ago hard conflict with some drunked idiot, direct on the street,evening, when i would go back from cinema,he attacked me, i got slap and what you know, he kill you or rape or what, what you can do ?? so i have had i my jeans some little knife, which i bought in summer at some gas station, some shitknife from hongkong, cost perhaps 7usd,but was sharp, yes, sharp,so and when he hold me,for my long hair, i take knife from my jeans, from pocket and im cut off him, to left leg <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Someone saw this conflict and call from mobile phone police and etc..,so good defense from me, he got 15cm long and 3cm deep cut and police after all said me, that is good output from me..
So i said, god know, what i meet next, so i said, i buy some brand knife, for better feeling <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
After 2 months looking i select Spyderco Endura...is light weight, nice blade for some next leg <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>and when i have it in my pocket, no problem, i try knife give at my stocking also <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> is possible too, under skirt <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>,but stockings belt is necessary for it <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>or stocking is going below <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
So, its reason, why i bought nice and brand knife...
so and i will have not nothing from tomorrow and is ...
Maybe, maybe is strange why,why 25 yrs.old girl need some sharp knife <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> so i try explain, but sorry my english first <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>, i have had 2 months ago hard conflict with some drunked idiot, direct on the street,evening, when i would go back from cinema,he attacked me, i got slap and what you know, he kill you or rape or what, what you can do ?? so i have had i my jeans some little knife, which i bought in summer at some gas station, some shitknife from hongkong, cost perhaps 7usd,but was sharp, yes, sharp,so and when he hold me,for my long hair, i take knife from my jeans, from pocket and im cut off him, to left leg <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Someone saw this conflict and call from mobile phone police and etc..,so good defense from me, he got 15cm long and 3cm deep cut and police after all said me, that is good output from me..
So i said, god know, what i meet next, so i said, i buy some brand knife, for better feeling <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
After 2 months looking i select Spyderco Endura...is light weight, nice blade for some next leg <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>and when i have it in my pocket, no problem, i try knife give at my stocking also <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> is possible too, under skirt <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>,but stockings belt is necessary for it <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>or stocking is going below <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
So, its reason, why i bought nice and brand knife...
Simona-
This is great! Your killing me.
Sorry to hear about the knife "thing".
But seeing it's made in Japan maybe they got some bad steel from an old tank or jeep left over from the vietman war, and forged the blade at a Mcdonalds in Seki City. You did the right thing and took it back!
Are you looking for something HARD?????????
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Get a Boker with a ceramic blade, it should fly off the rockwell scale.
By the way, your english is getting better. As far as the panties-America does make some great things!!!! I wouldn't mind a "peek".
from:
Ken with love
This is great! Your killing me.
Sorry to hear about the knife "thing".
But seeing it's made in Japan maybe they got some bad steel from an old tank or jeep left over from the vietman war, and forged the blade at a Mcdonalds in Seki City. You did the right thing and took it back!
Are you looking for something HARD?????????
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.
.
.
Get a Boker with a ceramic blade, it should fly off the rockwell scale.
By the way, your english is getting better. As far as the panties-America does make some great things!!!! I wouldn't mind a "peek".
from:
Ken with love
to ken :: <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> vaaaaauuu...so yes, i need something hard, but knife also <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
thank for you advice, but i need not some half meter long knife or machine gun, what is ceramic knife ?? i hope its not from material from the tableware <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> will hard, but broke, when fall <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
i dont doubt, that you have something harder than spyderco steel, its, vooouuu sound interesting ..<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
super notice from you, thanks,i send my photo for imagination here..with whom peoples talk and read my swears ...
thank for you advice, but i need not some half meter long knife or machine gun, what is ceramic knife ?? i hope its not from material from the tableware <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> will hard, but broke, when fall <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
i dont doubt, that you have something harder than spyderco steel, its, vooouuu sound interesting ..<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
super notice from you, thanks,i send my photo for imagination here..with whom peoples talk and read my swears ...