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Re: 52100 Military

Postby akaAK » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:31 am

Correct me if I'm wrong (most likely) but my understanding was that the factory making the Caly ZDP blades wasn't able to flat grind ZDP in production but was able to handle a cladded blade. I thought I had read that here somewhere but can't find it.
I was never a fan of non-stainless blades but have come to appreciate them more and more. Cladding has never been an issue to me and I actually find it beneficial.

Agree that it was a surprise on the millie but happy to see the official confirmation.

Aside from patina (looks) can someone let me in on the hate for cladding?

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby SpeedHoles » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:33 am

akaAK wrote: Aside from patina (looks) can someone let me in on the hate for cladding?


Can of worms status: opened. :p
Going back to Caly.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby akaAK » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:38 am

Sorry, honest question. Waited for the official confirmation before I derailed the thread at least. Lol.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby Evil D » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:44 am

akaAK wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong (most likely) but my understanding was that the factory making the Caly ZDP blades wasn't able to flat grind ZDP in production but was able to handle a cladded blade. I thought I had read that here somewhere but can't find it.
I was never a fan of non-stainless blades but have come to appreciate them more and more. Cladding has never been an issue to me and I actually find it beneficial.

Agree that it was a surprise on the millie but happy to see the official confirmation.

Aside from patina (looks) can someone let me in on the hate for cladding?
Ya know, on my Caly 3 it's not so bad. It does have a sort of high tech feel to it that fits the carbon fiber handle. I'd still prefer a solid blade though.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby wrdwrght » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:53 am

Whew! Had me worried, there. Not a fan of cladding.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby bearfacedkiller » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:55 am

I think the issue is mostly aesthetic. Some people like to develop the patina, some don't like uneven lamination lines and some don't like how easily the usually softer cladding scratches. Functionally there is little difference. I don't care much either way, it's the edge that does most the work. If anything the cladding may add a little corrosion resistance and possibly some differential hardening depending on what steels are used. I would love to know more about this differential hardening and if it is a real benefit in a pocket knife. There has to be some benefit on the manufacturing side. When grinding a blade from clad steel you are grinding away mostly the easier to grind cladding. It seems like there are more benefits than drawbacks to me.
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Re: 52100 Military

Postby El Gato » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:58 am

akaAK wrote:Sorry, honest question. Waited for the official confirmation before I derailed the thread at least. Lol.
It is an honest question indeed. No worries.
I feel it is a topic very much open to personal opinion, like so many things, and there are no "right" answers IMHO. Personally I am happy that the upcoming 52100 Military is NOT a cladded blade, as I would not buy one if it were, but my "reasons" for that don't make a heck of a lot of sense......even to me!! It is only personal preference. I have owned a few forged 52100 blades and love them. I also like a nice patina that gives my carbon steel blades some "character", again just a personal thing.
And sure enough, it can be a "can of worms" for sure. Kind of like what goes better with a beer, chips or pretzels? :D

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby El Gato » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:15 am

Double post.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby Philo Beddoe » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:45 am

What the issue? If you look at the bottom of page 91 of the catalog it says Steel: 52100. Nothing about clad or composite or whatever.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby SpeedHoles » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:06 pm

Philo Beddoe wrote:What the issue? If you look at the bottom of page 91 of the catalog it says Steel: 52100. Nothing about clad or composite or whatever.

No issue.
Some confusion over what appeared to be a lamination line on the catalog photo.
Going back to Caly.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby bearfacedkiller » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:12 pm

Philo Beddoe wrote:What the issue? If you look at the bottom of page 91 of the catalog it says Steel: 52100. Nothing about clad or composite or whatever.
The picture was evidently wrong so why couldn't it have been the print that was actually wrong? Nice play monday morning quarterback. :D
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Re: 52100 Military

Postby sal » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:12 pm

whew. No cladding on the 52100 Millie.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby farnorthdan » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:23 pm

sal wrote:whew. No cladding on the 52100 Millie.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby Evil D » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:47 pm

sal wrote:whew. No cladding on the 52100 Millie.

sal
I'm sure the suspense was killing you right? :D

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby VashHash » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:04 pm

Hoping i can get one of these especially since it's not clad.

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby Holland » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:15 pm

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby El Gato » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:17 pm

sal wrote:whew. No cladding on the 52100 Millie.

sal
LOL Yeah, me too.
Things got pretty intense for awhile. Thankfully my pre-order is safely intact. :D

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Re: 52100 Military

Postby SpeedHoles » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:45 pm

Hahaha. :D
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Re: 52100 Military

Postby Doc Dan » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:18 pm

;) I am glad Sal is relieved. I know he was worried about it.

I am glad the 52100 is not clad. That does not mean I do not like cladded blades, because I do. I love the tech behind it. I bought the Caly 3 specifically because it was a laminate blade. I love that blade. But, the 52100, call me old fashioned, but I prefer it not be laminated. This is, of course, all subjective.
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Re: 52100 Military

Postby palonej » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:22 pm

El Gato wrote:
akaAK wrote:Sorry, honest question. Waited for the official confirmation before I derailed the thread at least. Lol.
It is an honest question indeed. No worries.
I feel it is a topic very much open to personal opinion, like so many things, and there are no "right" answers IMHO. Personally I am happy that the upcoming 52100 Military is NOT a cladded blade, as I would not buy one if it were, but my "reasons" for that don't make a heck of a lot of sense......even to me!! It is only personal preference. I have owned a few forged 52100 blades and love them. I also like a nice patina that gives my carbon steel blades some "character", again just a personal thing.
And sure enough, it can be a "can of worms" for sure. Kind of like what goes better with a beer, chips or pretzels? :D
El Gato has his priorities straight!!! OF COURSE PRETZELS!!!!
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