Well, Mag industries may have been the first to give the good old flashlight the "tactical" approach, but when it comes to moving on with times, smaller and newer players have actually caught up.
I started with Surefire's 6P and gradually owned the G-2, G2Z, E2E, E2 elite, M2, M3 and finally reached the M6 two months ago. They are second to none in terms of performance. But variety is the spice of life.. I too have photons, innovas, CMGs and krill lamps.. Man, I love these gadgets.. Well, I for one, marvelled at Surefire for producing a wide range of High Intensity tactical illuminators.. <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Well, if Strider and Emerson knives chose to pair with Surefire, I don't think they made a bad decision.. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Sam
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A little OT, need some advice on torches
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Sal,
I would like to make a suggestion.Many here will no doubt say to get a Surefire E2e.I on the other hand say a Surefire G2 for a couple reasons.Less expensive up front cost vs the E2e.The G2 is more shock resistant than the E2e.G2 has the option of using a higher output bulb although at the cost of decreased runtime.Also the G2 body is nicer to hold at colder temps.Everyone please do not misunderstand me the E2e is a great light I just look at it this way,the G2 and the Delica are a lot alike in that they both are relativly inexpenseive do the job at hand extreamly well are light weight and very tough.The E2e to me is more like the Viele(or insert your fav "higher end" spyde)in that the E2e IMHO is more refined made of better materials etc.But when it comes down to it they all do the job very well.Let me not forget Arc as they are the top of led lights.I hope this all makes sense as it is late and I need sleep.Oh and all three(Spyderco Arc Surefire)have great CS!Everyone here is right on track with the lights.I would like to invite the people here to join myself and many others on CPF if you have not in the past http://www.candlepowerforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
I would like to make a suggestion.Many here will no doubt say to get a Surefire E2e.I on the other hand say a Surefire G2 for a couple reasons.Less expensive up front cost vs the E2e.The G2 is more shock resistant than the E2e.G2 has the option of using a higher output bulb although at the cost of decreased runtime.Also the G2 body is nicer to hold at colder temps.Everyone please do not misunderstand me the E2e is a great light I just look at it this way,the G2 and the Delica are a lot alike in that they both are relativly inexpenseive do the job at hand extreamly well are light weight and very tough.The E2e to me is more like the Viele(or insert your fav "higher end" spyde)in that the E2e IMHO is more refined made of better materials etc.But when it comes down to it they all do the job very well.Let me not forget Arc as they are the top of led lights.I hope this all makes sense as it is late and I need sleep.Oh and all three(Spyderco Arc Surefire)have great CS!Everyone here is right on track with the lights.I would like to invite the people here to join myself and many others on CPF if you have not in the past http://www.candlepowerforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
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Sal,
I would have to say MagLight. With everything that I have put my various maglights through, they are still going strong. Their dependibility is right up there with your knives. JMHO.
Linda
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I would have to say MagLight. With everything that I have put my various maglights through, they are still going strong. Their dependibility is right up there with your knives. JMHO.
Linda
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SureFire seems to me to be obviously the closest. Like Spyderco innovated so many things, so did Surefire really innovate the handheld 123A market. Like Spyderco, Surefire has a lot of breadth and depth in their offerings, a few misses but mostly hits, and are constantly innovating.
Maglite is more like Buck. Some decades ago they innovated. Since then, they are still making inexpensive but sturdy products, but are not only *not* innovators but have fallen behind on technology. Actually, that's way unfair to Buck, who have made aggressive strides towards catching the leaders. Meanwhile, Maglite annodizes their old models different colors, and sues competitors rather than trying to move the technology ahead.
Arc would be another great fit to Spyderco if it wasn't such a small company going through growing pains. The Arc AAA model is now of incredibly solid quality, and really defines what a light of that size can do. Ditto the Arc LS, it is in my opinion the best little light going, and it complements SureFires by being able to burn up partially-used 123As. They handled the recent stumble -- due to problems with the LEDs supplied by the manufacturer -- with grace. Arc should be an awesome, Spyderco-like company in time, if they're not killed by the Maglite lawsuit.
Joe
Edited by - Joe Talmadge on 12/30/2002 9:17:43 PM
Edited by - Joe Talmadge on 12/30/2002 9:18:27 PM
Maglite is more like Buck. Some decades ago they innovated. Since then, they are still making inexpensive but sturdy products, but are not only *not* innovators but have fallen behind on technology. Actually, that's way unfair to Buck, who have made aggressive strides towards catching the leaders. Meanwhile, Maglite annodizes their old models different colors, and sues competitors rather than trying to move the technology ahead.
Arc would be another great fit to Spyderco if it wasn't such a small company going through growing pains. The Arc AAA model is now of incredibly solid quality, and really defines what a light of that size can do. Ditto the Arc LS, it is in my opinion the best little light going, and it complements SureFires by being able to burn up partially-used 123As. They handled the recent stumble -- due to problems with the LEDs supplied by the manufacturer -- with grace. Arc should be an awesome, Spyderco-like company in time, if they're not killed by the Maglite lawsuit.
Joe
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Edited by - Joe Talmadge on 12/30/2002 9:18:27 PM
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I'm evidently so far out of the loop concerning whats hot in flashlights as I didn't even know what a Photon was before coming on this forum.
Maglight is kinda old school I know BUT! gimme my old 3 D battery maglight over a FRN 1 ounce light anyday should I need to conk anyone over the head <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Joking Linda but i'm sure you know what I mean. Ron
Maglight is kinda old school I know BUT! gimme my old 3 D battery maglight over a FRN 1 ounce light anyday should I need to conk anyone over the head <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Joking Linda but i'm sure you know what I mean. Ron
Is this the prelude to a collaboration?
Thats what popped into my head when I read your question. Strider and Emerson have done it, is Spyderco next? I say go for it, I'd buy one.
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Thats what popped into my head when I read your question. Strider and Emerson have done it, is Spyderco next? I say go for it, I'd buy one.
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I forgot to wrap up: For smaller lights, I'd totally go with the <b>Arc AAA </b> version, which is small-light perfected, in my mind. For those who would lean towards photon (and I love Photon, they're a fine choice, I have about 10 of 'em!), you should try a regulated light! Instead of photon's {hour of very bright light} followed by {couple hours of medium-bright light} followed by {many many hours of unacceptably dim light}, the Arc AAA gives you a bunch of hours at nearly-full brightness, as the regulation circuit keeps the LED going at near-full brightness the entire time. Once you go regulated, you'll never go back!
For bigger lights, go with <b>SureFire </b> .
BTW, I like the Inova, it's one of the sleekest sexiest lights going. But Spyderco is about performance, and while the Inova was a leader a couple of years ago, performance-wise almost any LS-based light will blow the Inova away. Plus, the Inova is unregulated (see my comments above), while the Arc LS, Surefire KL1/KL3, Badboy/Madmax, etc. are all regulated.
For bigger lights, go with <b>SureFire </b> .
BTW, I like the Inova, it's one of the sleekest sexiest lights going. But Spyderco is about performance, and while the Inova was a leader a couple of years ago, performance-wise almost any LS-based light will blow the Inova away. Plus, the Inova is unregulated (see my comments above), while the Arc LS, Surefire KL1/KL3, Badboy/Madmax, etc. are all regulated.
1. Surefire
2. Streamlight
I have experience with both of these, as a professional (LEO), and personally. They are the very best. Here at work we are issued Streamlight Stingers, and I have my own. These lights are heavily abused, and have really held up! It's rechargeable, and a little brighter then my Surefire G-2 w/65 lumen houseing. RKBA!
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2. Streamlight
I have experience with both of these, as a professional (LEO), and personally. They are the very best. Here at work we are issued Streamlight Stingers, and I have my own. These lights are heavily abused, and have really held up! It's rechargeable, and a little brighter then my Surefire G-2 w/65 lumen houseing. RKBA!
Edited by - Alan2112 on 1/1/2003 12:26:47 AM
Edited by - Alan2112 on 1/1/2003 12:29:31 AM
Howdy and thanx for all of the input. I don't know how it goes with other forums, but I have learned that much can be learned from the folks that hang out here.
Clear info with depth, character and honesty. We appreciate such communication.
SFO will be offering torches to local ELUs in the store. We want to make sure that we're maintaining our standards. We can test in the lab for brightness, life, weight, etc., but the Spirit of a company cannot be tested in a lab. Thanx again for the input.
sal
Clear info with depth, character and honesty. We appreciate such communication.
SFO will be offering torches to local ELUs in the store. We want to make sure that we're maintaining our standards. We can test in the lab for brightness, life, weight, etc., but the Spirit of a company cannot be tested in a lab. Thanx again for the input.
sal
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