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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby JAfromMN » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:34 pm

No such thing as a spyderco flop. Only misunderstood knives

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby DutchBlades » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:37 pm

Hard to state a knife as a flop. There's always a niche; I for one love my Captain and Kumo!
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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby endgame » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:41 pm

I would love a sprint captain with titanium or cf scales h1 steel spyderedge or se and flipper

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby twinboysdad » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:28 pm

The last sprint of the Jot Singh has not sold many as have the sprint Dyad.

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby farnorthdan » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:03 pm

I haven't seen any of these so called flops, I like to think of them as unique, just not for everyone, I have purchased some that I thought I would like more than I actually do but theyre all servicable.
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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby PSquared » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:49 pm

I don't think they have had any "flops". Sure they have put knives into production that didn't sell very well or raised a few eyebrows but I'd guess that no one at Spyderco was surprised either, possibly a bit disappointed but not shocked that something like the Gunting didn't sell better than Enduras. Spyderco is known for having the stones to put "interesting" knives (and steels) into production with, I am sure, full knowledge that they might not sell very well - it is part of their passion for knives and I respect that a lot.

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby DutchBlades » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:49 am

endgame wrote:I would love a sprint captain with titanium or cf scales h1 steel spyderedge or se and flipper
Yes please....... :D
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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby IG-88 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:59 am

To me a knife that is not popular is not a flop but a challenge to do it as a company. I consider flops knives that are badly made and then I only can think of 1 that would fit in this definition and its the current vesion of the Starmate. It's not what I'm used of in a Spyderco knife, too many flaws.

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby spyderwolf » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:08 am

Just for the record:i was not trying to put Spyderco down in any way.I am a Spyderco fan.I think its the best knife company on the market,and some of their products are better then some custom knives going for 1000$.But i am not a Spyderco fan-Boy,and i think every person makes mistakes and every company makes Flops,from time to time,which is perfectly fine.
And with that being said,the Battlestation is another indispensable knife for any klingon who wants to stroll the mall ;)
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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby dialex » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:29 am

The Spyderco Bi-Fold, perhaps?

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby Joris Mo » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:32 am

I love Spyderco for the fact that they are willing to take risks on experimenting and are always doing inventive stuff.
For how much weird things they've done I guess it's strange to see so little things really flopped. ;)
I agree that the T-Mag was a real shame, it looked so perfect and then when I held it turned to hardly have a lock, or a detent..
(shapewise it was really good though)
The Vagabond is a great user I believe especially for slightly less fanatical knife people to just toss in the bag and have around, shame it didn't do well commercially but a really cool design non the less.
(am a proud owner but never use it, always already something else to use in the pocket or a bigger fixed blade in the bag)

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby Brock O Lee » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:38 am

I really wanted a new Starmate when the sprint was announced a few years ago. The execution was not great on the one I handled, which confirmed the reviews I had read, so I lost interest. Things like poor tang finish, sloppy grind lines, rattling lanyard tube. It was a pity because I really liked the original.
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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby Surfingringo » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:13 am

Show me a Spyderco flop and I'll show you a discontinued knife with a cult following. ;)

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby brj » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:21 am

Joris Mo wrote:I love Spyderco for the fact that they are willing to take risks on experimenting and are always doing inventive stuff.
For how much weird things they've done I guess it's strange to see so little things really flopped. ;)
Same here, the 'flops' are one of the main reasons I love Spyderco and their 'swashbuckling' attitude of let's do it just because we can :) .
Maybe there is something wrong with me, but I have (and carry/use quite regularly) a lot of the above mentioned models that are 'different', like the D2 PM1 sprint, or Bi-fold, or even the JaniSong. Heck, I even use my T-Mag from time to time (I've had no issues so far).

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby endgame » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:50 am

Yea they need a captain in h1.the "s" was a flop but that knife has a story with me.first I just love it great lightweight "hipster" edc.pluss it was my gateway knife into spyderco..the polywog was,a flop I think but it goes for bank.I have both the ss and g10 sprint run.I love it but it feels very bulky in my pocket.

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby JD Spydo » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:55 am

One interesting item to consider as to how things can change dramatically>> take the original, early 2000s C-60 Ayoob model in Spyderedge >> I was told by a reliable source that Spyderco had many of them left over. I was also told that Massad Ayoob and his ex-wife also had a lot of Spyderedged C-60 models. Which tells me that the knife was truly a "let-down" at the box office so to speak.

But right now I would like to see what a guy could trade a NIB C-60 SE Ayoob model :rolleyes: You could pull off some astonishing trades with a new, mint SE Ayoob I have no doubt. I'm also sure if you put one up for bid on one of the auction sites or one of the knife forums you could demand a nice chunk of change for one now I'm sure of it. But during the time of it's production I heard that they had a lot of models that just wouldn't sell for whatever reason :confused: .

My point being is that many of your old Spyders are like fruit on a vine>> some of them just take time to ripen ;) The C-60 Ayoob sure isn't the only one either>> I could list at least 10 models that went through the same progression of popularity.

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby SpeedHoles » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:41 am

Interesting discussion... some I agree with, some I don't.

Many models mentioned here I thoroughly enjoy, haha!


Kind of a related question; whatever happened to the Rookie? Did that one flop?
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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby MattM68 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:23 am

What's wrong with the T Mag? I own one and love it. It's amazing how smooth it is, and it's made with carbon fiber, titanium, and S30V. The "Detent" is definitely weak, but if carried properly, it doesn't open in your pocket. It's a pretty cool knife! I know they didn't sell well, but I wonder why people disliked it so much.

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby twinboysdad » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:33 am

I would think the Lil Matriarch did not live up to the sales potential it could have been. I had big plans to grab one and never did and I think many fell into the same trap

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Re: Spyderco flops

Postby SpeedHoles » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:54 am

twinboysdad wrote:I would think the Lil Matriarch did not live up to the sales potential it could have been. I had big plans to grab one and never did and I think many fell into the same trap

Nah, that one is full on win. I often consider purchasing a second just in case if they become some full disco coveted $$ knife and I'd never be able to find another user in the future.


Which brings up something to consider here - are we talking sales volume "flops", here, or just sub-par functional "flops"? Two very different criteria...
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