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I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby Spydergirl88 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:10 pm

4 different sizes and it still never caught on enough to have staying power. Or was that the intention? Just wondering why it's not a production model. Seems like it would be a good seller but I guess not.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby JAfromMN » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:52 pm

It really doesn't make any sense to me either.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby yablanowitz » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:31 pm

Our "justice" system at its "finest". The original Dyad died in a court battle which was won by (as is usually the case) the party with the deepest pockets. I don't imagine the sprint C44 made much profit with all the new tooling involved, either.

It's a great concept, and I carry my original C44 every day, but frankly, the concept works better with thumb studs than with Spyderholes.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby Spydergirl88 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:58 pm

yablanowitz wrote:Our "justice" system at its "finest". The original Dyad died in a court battle which was won by (as is usually the case) the party with the deepest pockets. I don't imagine the sprint C44 made much profit with all the new tooling involved, either.

It's a great concept, and I carry my original C44 every day, but frankly, the concept works better with thumb studs than with Spyderholes.
Wow I researched what you were talking about and that's just so ridiculous. Now I feel bad for even bringing all this up.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby paladin » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:38 pm

I own a Jr. with black mic. covers in ATS-55...

Neat little knife, but one of the most un-ergonomic Spyders ever, IMHO.

Nevertheless, I carried mine a bunch because of the uniqueness of it at that time, plus the PE blade was quite pointy & useful.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby JAfromMN » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:02 am

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yablanowitz wrote:Our "justice" system at its "finest". The original Dyad died in a court battle which was won by (as is usually the case) the party with the deepest pockets. I don't imagine the sprint C44 made much profit with all the new tooling involved, either.

It's a great concept, and I carry my original C44 every day, but frankly, the concept works better with thumb studs than with Spyderholes.
Wow I researched what you were talking about and that's just so ridiculous. Now I feel bad for even bringing all this up.
Can I get a link?

I did some looking and I couldn't find anything.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby SpyderNut » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:17 am

The Dyad series has long been a favorite design of mine. As Paladin pointed out, though, one thing that may have hurt the design was the somewhat uncomfortable grip/ergos due to the cross-blade concept. Despite that, I still really like the Dyad. There are a few here that would love go see an H1 Dyad model. :) Wouldn't that be nice?
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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby farnorthdan » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:19 am

Picked up a sprint Jr a few months back, sweet little knife but haven't gotten around to carrying it yet.
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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby Spydergirl88 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:29 am

SpyderNut wrote:The Dyad series has long been a favorite design of mine. As Paladin pointed out, though, one thing that may have hurt the design was the somewhat uncomfortable grip/ergos due to the cross-blade concept. Despite that, I still really like the Dyad. There are a few here that would love go see an H1 Dyad model. :) Wouldn't that be nice?
Sounds like a great boater's knife

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby Spydergirl88 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:34 am

JAfromMN wrote:
Spydergirl88 wrote:
yablanowitz wrote:Our "justice" system at its "finest". The original Dyad died in a court battle which was won by (as is usually the case) the party with the deepest pockets. I don't imagine the sprint C44 made much profit with all the new tooling involved, either.

It's a great concept, and I carry my original C44 every day, but frankly, the concept works better with thumb studs than with Spyderholes.
Wow I researched what you were talking about and that's just so ridiculous. Now I feel bad for even bringing all this up.
Can I get a link?

I did some looking and I couldn't find anything.
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For standard day to day carry I have the Spyderco Dyad JR. If I'm going camping or somewhere where I anticipate the need of a bigger knife I have the full size Dyad

Grrr... i'm so envious, me want full size Dyad, but they're hard to find....

....stupid Taylor Cutlery making a cheap ripoff and drawing out a long expensive court battle against Spyderco.

....Spyderco made the Dyad series first and had patents, taylor craptlery made a cheap Chinese ripoff, then sued Spyderco for "infringing" on their "patent", drawing the court battle out long enough to make it unprofitable for Spyderco, at the time a much smaller company, Sal Glesser decided to retire the Dyad series rather than fight a long, drawn out battle against a manufacturer with a personal vendetta against him (taylor craptelry made some comment about "teaching Sal a lesson")

taylor craptelry makes Smith and Wesson knives (http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/smithwes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), BTW (CynicalGabe's S&W looks like a ripoff of a Chris Reeve Sebenza, specifically the handle scales and blade profile look Sebbie-esqe, the top-mounted thumbstud is different though) and taylor is known for making cheap Chinese knockoffs (ripoffs) of other reputable knifemaker designs

the "homeland security" knife is a Buck/Mayo ripoff
"super stout folder" looks like a ripoff of some CKRT designs
"every day carry" looks like a Kershaw ripoff

almost every taylor craptelry line looks like it has been *ahem* "inspired" *ahem* by other manufacturers and uses cheap, low quality steel

personally, i will never buy a taylor produced knife, mainly because they had a hand in killing the Dyad series....

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby JAfromMN » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:41 am

One more reason not to buy Taylor junk.

Thanks.

I didn't know anything about that.

I've had a ats55 c44 and ats55 dyad Jr and both were great knives.

I have plans on trying to get the sprint this year.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby Evil D » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:15 am

I want to like the idea but I also believe in the saying "a jack of all trades is a master of none". Unless the two blades and handle are executed in a way that makes them rival single blade knives as popular as a Para 2, it won't likely replace those knives in EDC for many people.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby JD Spydo » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:02 am

yablanowitz wrote:Our "justice" system at its "finest". The original Dyad died in a court battle which was won by (as is usually the case) the party with the deepest pockets. I don't imagine the sprint C44 made much profit with all the new tooling involved, either.

It's a great concept, and I carry my original C44 every day, but frankly, the concept works better with thumb studs than with Spyderholes.
Yeah I think Yablanowitz has probably hit the nail on the head. But it wouldn't be the first time in corporate history that a company's best product either got sidelined, overlooked or in this case the knife I believe was just simply ahead of it's time. Albeit I could make that case for many of the Spyders during what I refer to as THE GOLDEN ERA OF SPYDERS 1998-2003>> Because there were a lot of superb models in that era that either got overlooked because of some of the icon models being so popular or dealers already had plenty of the iconic models heavily stocked to where there just wasn't room in their inventory.

Because during the late 90s I had one helluva time landing my first JD Smith model>> not to mention the almost year long wait I had before I scored a 204 Sharpmaker. But the big C-44 Dyad is truly in my top 3 and has been for years. It's such a perfect all purpose EDC model that it does truly make me scratch my head wondering why many knife users pass it by :confused:

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby yablanowitz » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:32 am

JD Spydo wrote: It's such a perfect all purpose EDC model that it does truly make me scratch my head wondering why many knife users pass it by :confused:
No big mystery to me. In a word, ergonomics. Having that humped blade spine under your fingers does not make for comfort in prolonged use. For real world use, where 99% of the time you get out your knife, make a cut or two and put it away, it isn't really an issue, but most people seem to want a handle that is comfortable for 12 hours straight even though they only use the knife for 12 seconds at a time. Like I said, the concept actually works better with thumb studs so you don't need the humped blade spines to accommodate Spyderholes.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby twinboysdad » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:22 pm

Like: the shape and slight belly on the SE, thinness of the PE and the cross lock

Dislike: blade shape of the PE and would prefer leaf instead of skinner, the weight and thickness are noticeable and the clip placement has too much handle sticking out

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby JD Spydo » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:39 pm

yablanowitz wrote:
JD Spydo wrote: It's such a perfect all purpose EDC model that it does truly make me scratch my head wondering why many knife users pass it by :confused:
No big mystery to me. In a word, ergonomics. Having that humped blade spine under your fingers does not make for comfort in prolonged use. For real world use, where 99% of the time you get out your knife, make a cut or two and put it away, it isn't really an issue, but most people seem to want a handle that is comfortable for 12 hours straight even though they only use the knife for 12 seconds at a time. Like I said, the concept actually works better with thumb studs so you don't need the humped blade spines to accommodate Spyderholes.
I hear you Brother and I've heard that complaint repeated over the years but when I was EDCing one of my C-44 Dyads on a daily basis it was so convenient to have the best of both Spyder-Edges in one folder. Both blades on the C-44 Dyad are excellent designs IMO. The sheepsfoot fully serrated blade with just a slight belly to it is truly one of my favorite Spyderedged blades. Whereas that clip point plain edged blade is not only a great all purpose blade but it is also great for fishing and hunting when a folder is needed.

But you do make a valid point and I'm sure if there ever is a Dyad II coming our way I have no doubt that Sal or Eric will remedy that ever so slight inconvenience. The folder is so useful to me that I just don't let that minor problem bother me in the least. There are a couple of minor features on the original FB05 Temperance 1 fixed blade model>> but again that fixed blade design is so great of an all purpose fixed blade that I just don't even consider flaws that minor to disuade me from a great EDC fixed blade or folder either for that matter. But it is something to take into consideration for sure.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby JD Spydo » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:52 pm

twinboysdad wrote:Like: the shape and slight belly on the SE, thinness of the PE and the cross lock

Dislike: blade shape of the PE and would prefer leaf instead of skinner, the weight and thickness are noticeable and the clip placement has too much handle sticking out
That's a really thought provoking observation on your part "twinboysday" because please understand I'm in no way touting the C-44 Dyad as being divinely perfect by any means>> for an example of what I'm talking about take the C-60 Ayoob Spyderco model for instance>> I fell in love with that design from "Day #1" when I bought my first one back in 2002. But when they did the Sprint Run with a G-10 handle it was such a great overall improvement from several standpoints. I saying that to concede that the C-44 Dyad certainly could use some design modifications for sure.

One big problem/complaint I've always had with the original C-44 Dyad is that there is no lanyard hole or attachment>> and if I was in a boat on a lake, ocean or river I would absolutely have to have a lanyard attached because seeing a C-44 ( or any Great Spyder for that matter) go overboard would probably drive me to taking "anti-depressants" :eek: But with Sal and Eric chiming in on these threads you know that they are always looking for ways to improve on their splendid knife designs to be made even better.

I guess it's fair to say that it's the concept of a two-bladed, full sized folder with two great edge types that entices me so much that no minor or small inconvenient design flaws I might encounter would steer me away from such a great tool as the C-44 Dyad. I'm hoping that we will eventually see more two bladed Spyders down the road. It really baffles me as to why there aren't more two bladed EDC folders in the entire market?

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby yablanowitz » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:34 pm

If the "entire market" includes traditional folders, there are tons of them out there, with two, three and even more blades.

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby endgame » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:36 pm

I havem all and they are very uncomfortable with one blade open the other closed.the smaller one is the worst.great looking but unless you use both blades at once you will hate the feel.the blades need to go into the handle all the way so you dont get the spine pocking the crap out of youre palm

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Re: I feel sorry for the Dyad...

Postby Bodog » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:53 pm

For whatever it's worth, I think the guy sounds like he's full of horsesh**
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