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Again : Plain Edge or Spyder Edge & why

Postby AllenETreat » Mon Nov 11, 2002 1:00 am

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Let's take a good look at ourselves forumite(s) : Which is it? Plain Edge or Spyder Edge? And why so?






Me : Spyder Edge <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> seems to cut better.


















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Postby sc_rebel1957 » Mon Nov 11, 2002 10:38 pm

ATE, my quest is to find atleast 1 <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> in each edge config.
I buy more SE though as i personally find em far more useful as EDC a good compromise is the 50/50.
Recently i've bought/swapped for more PE versions. Ron

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Postby voxnaes » Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:39 am

Hi ATE,
I buy PE because it serves me best with most of my cutting. I am however going to get a SE Endura at some point. This is because I sail a lot, and this is where I can see the SE as a big + !<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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Postby vampyrewolf » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:07 am

I always have at least 1 serrated edge, normally my CE Millie.

I own more PE knives b/c I do my cooking more often than not by using whatever is in my pocket at that time.

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Postby dialex » Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:52 pm

Boy, that's a tough question! Both of them are working great. I like the SE more, but the PE is easier to sharpen.

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Postby Knife Knut » Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:08 pm

In my unscientific tests on a discarded couch a flat ground PE Police was better at thrusts than it's SE brother. The converse was true for slashes.

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Postby tique » Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:23 am

I usually carry 3-4 knives on me on any given day, all of them are PE... I just find it easier to maintain, and it works more than sufficiently for any task I need to accomplish.

I have only played with PS and SE knives a little though, and have done no head to head comparisons... Maybe I should try some in the future when I get a chance...

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Postby mac_heath » Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:01 am

SE cuts better, PE is more versatile
I prefer SE blades in 'specialty' blade forms like sheepsfoot and hawksbill (Rescue and Merlin).

I feel that drop point and clip point styles are more useful in PE form. The convex curve of these forms provides the user with different parts of the blade to use for different tasks. For example, when carving fuzz sticks, I use the blade near the hilt, when carving fine detail, I use the blade near the tip.

SE cuts only one way: aggressively, so it doesn't utilize the belly and point like a PE. Sheepsfoot and hawksbill blades put the serrations towards the material. This is in contrast with an SE drop point, where the serrations rise away from the material, requiring the user to flex the wrist to complete the cut.

As for CE blades, there's a fine balance. I think they can offer the best of both worlds, but only if they have enough of PE and SE portions. My current EDC is a CE Native. It has very little PE, and therefore I don't use it as a PE blade. I consider it to be an SE. The CE millie, however, appears to have enough of both edges. Even the CE progrip seems to have the best of both worlds.

Those have been my experiences with SE and PE.

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Postby J Smith » Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:19 am

PE,I have found that a sharp PE will cut everything and more that a SE will.Most things I cut needs to be a fine straight cut.Although if I cut a lot of heavey rope or seat belt material I would rather have a SE.SE would also be better for self defence and rescue work.I have one SE and 2 CE out of my 13 spydies.

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Postby mnblade » Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:33 pm

I prefer PE because the vast majority of my knife use is just good old normal pocketknife stuff: scraping, scratching, fiddling, slicing, poking, carving, etc. And for that, I prefer the versatility of a plain edge. I can't remember EVER having to hack through a rope or seatbelt or netting, or needing to thrust with my blade in a street fight. Now, I'm very confident that my Endura would be up to these tasks in a pinch ... but as I said, my main concern is carrying a knife that, IMO, is optimal for the tasks that I encounter every day.

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Postby yog » Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:20 pm

There are some things that a SE will be margenally better than a PE (I once had to cut a thick garden house and the SE Harpy went through it like it wasn't there), but there are some things that a SE will have significant trouble with.

The two things that I have to cut most often are paper and cuttine off small branches, both are more difficult with a SE.

I do sometimes carry a SE, but if I do I'll always also have a PE with me.

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Postby AllenETreat » Wed Nov 13, 2002 7:26 pm

I find that combo edge ( CE or P&S ) is the BEST compromise.


A fact : Some military knives are

"combo edge" <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

( My Mili is configured thus <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)


ATE <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

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Postby spidernoiree » Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:49 pm

Most of my knives are PE or CE. I very rarely have the need for a fully serrated edge. I prefer to buy CE when possible, but if it's a choice between PE and SE, PE wins. I'd still love to see a Viele in a CE.

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Postby vampyrewolf » Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:01 am

Most CE knives aren't long enough to fully utilize the edges. The Millie does it right, giving 2.5" of PE, 1.5" of SE...

My Native(FRN) is also CE, but may as well be SE, with about 1/2" of PE tip. Perfect bread/bagel sclicer though. I eat a lot of fresh panini buns(I buy them at the grocery store for $2.50/dozen), and the SE of the Native is just the right size for cutting through.

My normal carry(for the last 3 months):
Millie CE(R/F)
Calypso jr lt PE(IWB/R or Watch/R)
Merlin PE(L/F)
Native FRN CE(Belt/L/H)
Spydiecard PE(R/Cargo, in wallet)




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Postby dialex » Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:11 am

I only had one CE (a BM clone). It was working pretty fair. I think that a bigger knife would work better with CE (Endura or Millie), as you have plenty of both edges.
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Postby AllenETreat » Thu Nov 14, 2002 5:07 am

DiALEX -


RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!! <img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>



Like I said : Look at





Some of the more common



military blades, and


you'll see for yourself!











ATE <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

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Postby cmassicotte » Thu Nov 14, 2002 10:38 am

ATE - Sorry,but I am confused. "Which is it? Plain Edge or Spyder Edge?"

I don't understand. What do you mean "or"???
<img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Both of course. One of each. Hmmmm....
Ok, <b><i>SEVERAL </b> </i> of each <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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