Small Question on the Cat, Chicago

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Small Question on the Cat, Chicago

Postby DigitalUrbanCamo » Sun May 04, 2014 10:55 pm

I am not that familiar with this line from Spyderco. Somebody want to answer a few quick questions and help me out?

-Is the Chicago considered to be in the same line with the Cat?
-If these two knives are part of the same line then are there any others?
-Has there been any Sprint runs done on ether of these two knives?
-Has there been any news on perhaps future Sprint Runs?
-I noticed that in Chicago the law states (well supposedly)it is legal to carry a knife up to 2.5 inches. If that is truly the case then why is the Chicago knife only 2 Inches?

I surly appreciate any help given. Thanks folks.

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Postby Sparki » Mon May 05, 2014 3:20 am

They are both part of the same line. The design as far as handle/clip/screws are all the same, only difference is the size. I don't believe there are any others in the line.

I do know there was a run of carbon fiber/S30V cats, I believe the chicagos were done as well, someone might have to clarify that though. If I remember correctly, there were a few issues with the QC on the CF runs.

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Postby The Deacon » Mon May 05, 2014 4:59 am

Sparki wrote:They are both part of the same line. The design as far as handle/clip/screws are all the same, only difference is the size. I don't believe there are any others in the line.

I do know there was a run of carbon fiber/S30V cats, I believe the chicagos were done as well, someone might have to clarify that though. If I remember correctly, there were a few issues with the QC on the CF runs.
Yes, the original Cats and Chicagos were CF/S30V. Problem was, trying to make a knife with those materials at the price point Spyderco desired proved impossible. QC was shoddy, at best, complaints abounded, so both knives were discontinued and most of the existing stock was sold as seconds. Spyderco waited a couple years before introducing the new (current) G-10/440C version.

No Sprints so far, and no upcoming Sprints have been announced, no other current or announced models in that "family". As for why 2", it might just be a concession to reality. Cops don't carry rulers, so it's safer not to have a blade as close to the limit as possible. That's just speculation on my part, it could be for an entirely different reason. Only Sal could say for sure.
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Postby Donut » Mon May 05, 2014 6:34 am

From what I've read, the knife law in Chicago has something like a maximum blade length of 2" if you're under 18 and 2.5" if you're over 18.

There might or might not be more requirements than age, but I don't remember off the top of my head what they are.

I believe they are in the same product line for this reason. As far as I know, the history is identical of the two.
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Postby DougC-3 » Mon May 05, 2014 6:53 am

Thanks for the info on these, Sparki, Paul, and Brian. I'm not the OP, of course, but I've been sort of on the lookout for a CF Cat and have been wondering why they're so scarce. I think the only one I've seen went for something like $119 on the bay, a good bit more than I thought it was worth. Are they made at the same factory in Taichung as Sages and Chaparrals? This is the first time I've heard of QC problems at Taichung. Maybe the small size made it more difficult to handle the carbon fiber... but I've seen tiny inlays :confused:
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Postby flash900 » Mon May 05, 2014 6:58 am

If you like these designs, the S30V versions pop up now and then on the resale market.

Not all of them had issues and the ones I own are much nicer than the current models.
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Postby gbelleh » Mon May 05, 2014 8:00 am

As far as I know, the Cats and Chicagos were and still are made by a different maker in Taiwan. They are not made in Taichung.
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Postby Clip » Mon May 05, 2014 8:28 am

gbelleh wrote:As far as I know, the Cats and Chicagos were and still are made by a different maker in Taiwan. They are not made in Taichung.
My Cat doesn't have the Taichung stamp on it.
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Postby DougC-3 » Mon May 05, 2014 8:30 am

gbelleh wrote:As far as I know, the Cats and Chicagos were and still are made by a different maker in Taiwan. They are not made in Taichung.
Thanks. I had noticed the overall difference and especially the carbon fiber pattern and was just curious.
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Postby The Deacon » Mon May 05, 2014 9:10 am

Definitely not made by the folks in Taichung. The folks making the current ones may have made the originals and are probably the same ones that made the Salsa and the "S" and are now making the Serrata.
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Postby Sparki » Mon May 05, 2014 10:04 am

DougC-3 wrote:Thanks for the info on these, Sparki, Paul, and Brian. I'm not the OP, of course, but I've been sort of on the lookout for a CF Cat and have been wondering why they're so scarce. I think the only one I've seen went for something like $119 on the bay, a good bit more than I thought it was worth. Are they made at the same factory in Taichung as Sages and Chaparrals? This is the first time I've heard of QC problems at Taichung. Maybe the small size made it more difficult to handle the carbon fiber... but I've seen tiny inlays :confused:
I've seen CF Cats pop up on BF recently and they sold for around $60, if I recall. Just gotta be patient I guess. :)

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Postby phillipsted » Mon May 05, 2014 12:27 pm

My CF Chicago took me a long time to find. Must have looked at half-a-dozen before I found one in good shape. Most of the issues I saw were chipped CF around the holes - nothing major, but irritating nonetheless. If getting one off of an auction site, make sure to get some close-up shots before pulling the trigger. Also look for the notch in the blade back near the Spydie Hole, which would indicate an official "Factory Second"... Caveat Emptor...

FYI, the Cat and Chicago are very nice knives for modding - easy to disassemble/reassemble and custom scales are easy to fabricate.

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Postby this_is_nascar » Mon May 05, 2014 5:20 pm

I've come to be fond of my G10 Cat. The Chicago is an exact same replica, with the exception of the shorter blade.
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Postby DigitalUrbanCamo » Mon May 05, 2014 9:34 pm

Thank you for all the information guys. I sure do appreciate it.

PS SAL if you get around to reading this thread I think a few of us including myself would really like to know why you chose to run with a 2" blade on the Chicago. And perhaps you could tease us with some sprint tun maybes or nevers? :D

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Postby this_is_nascar » Thu May 08, 2014 6:52 am

DigitalUrbanCamo wrote:Thank you for all the information guys. I sure do appreciate it.

PS SAL if you get around to reading this thread I think a few of us including myself would really like to know why you chose to run with a 2" blade on the Chicago. And perhaps you could tease us with some sprint tun maybes or nevers? :D
From what I understand, nothing larger than a 2" blade is allowed in Chicago, thus the design and the name.
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