To sharpen or not to sharpen?
To sharpen or not to sharpen?
When you get a new knife, do you use it until the factory edge dulls before sharpening or do you immediately put your own edge on it? Since being bitten by the Spyder, I've been extremely impressed with edges that come from the factory. The Dragonfly in ZDP that I just purchased is hair-whittling sharp out of the box. However, I just can never resist putting my own edge on them (not that I believe I can get them any sharper but can match what comes from the factory at least). First thing I do is set the back bevel and then finish with a nice micro-bevel. Anyone else similarly obsessed? Just curious...
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I like to use the factory edge until it reaches a level of sharpness that I am no longer happy with. Then when I do the first resharpening, I have some form of baseline for comparison. In most all cases (especially with newer powdered steels) the second and third sharpenings reveal what is most close to the performance expected from said blade. I have noticed this most commonly in S30V.
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I'm not that impressed with some of the spyderco factory edges. My forum native in s110v was terrible, Manix s30v was OK but nothing stellar. I always sharpen!
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Usually I use factory edge until it dull. The only exception so far was the 2013 Forum Native, which I reprofiled right away to 13 degrees per side. I just wanted a thinner edge on S110V.
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I generally at least lower the back bevel just to thin the blade so it slices better. Sometimes I'll let the edge stay the same for a few days but normally when I sharpen a knife I like the edge smoother than what comes on the knife from any factory. To perform any task needed in most EDC folding knives I think 80% of the Spyderco's I've bought are plenty sharp enough for that. For me sharpening has become a hobby in addition to just keeping my knives sharp so to completely leave an edge alone is pretty hard for me to do. But if the edge is even slightly "not sharp" I sharpen it right out of the box. Most of the additional money I spend on knives is based on the edge retention. If it weren't for staying sharp longer I'd still be using $20 knives.
This subject could have been a poll I think. Five or six answers of yes or no based on different edge conditions out of the box. Actually, I think it would be one of the more interesting polls I've seen.
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This subject could have been a poll I think. Five or six answers of yes or no based on different edge conditions out of the box. Actually, I think it would be one of the more interesting polls I've seen.
Jack
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I voted yes, always because that was closer to what I do than maybe. In fact the only two knives I remember being super super sharp were the blue FRN ZDP Stretch and the Michael Walker with CF scales and ZDP blade. Both of those I remember being MUCH MUCH sharper than other Spyderco's. And the average of the other knives was very sharp. That's not saying the edges I sharpen need sharpening. I just feel better having put the edge on myself I think. Similar to how people feel "not" being the driver when in a car. :)
On a side note, I made a tiny fixed blade knife out of an old circular saw blade about a year ago or so. When it came to sharpening it I knew it would take forever on even the coarsest, quality stones. So I set up my Dremel with a grinding stone to do it. I saw a video of Spyderco making a Native and they used a grinding wheel in the video. Much bigger than mine of course. But trying to do that I developed a tremendous respect for people who can quickly sharpen this way. One or two swipes on each side and they get the edges we see? That's impressive.
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On a side note, I made a tiny fixed blade knife out of an old circular saw blade about a year ago or so. When it came to sharpening it I knew it would take forever on even the coarsest, quality stones. So I set up my Dremel with a grinding stone to do it. I saw a video of Spyderco making a Native and they used a grinding wheel in the video. Much bigger than mine of course. But trying to do that I developed a tremendous respect for people who can quickly sharpen this way. One or two swipes on each side and they get the edges we see? That's impressive.
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If it's dull as a m**********r, then I will sharpen/reprofile. In all other scenarios, I strop the edge. If somewhat dull, I start at a more aggressive stropping compound and work my way up. If sharp, I use fine compound.
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I'm getting frustrated with these new knives, because I can't sharpen these **** super steels with a Sharpmaker, I must be doing something wrong. I may have to look at a different sharpener or something.
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