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Postby timlara » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:39 pm

gull wing wrote:How is the lock disengagement? My old blue one IS hard to grasp and unlock.
IMO, I wouldn't say my blue one is hard to unlock by any means as it doesn't take much force to pull the lock back, but for sure the "thumbstud" on the lock release isn't super comfortable and doesn't offer the best grip. I think it would be an improvement if it were more like the plastic cage on the Manix or P'Kal ball lock, but for me, it's a pretty minor nitpick. I'd equate it to the difference between a Spyderhole for opening a blade and a thumbstud. They both work just fine, but of course the Spyderhole is easier.

I'm not sure about the design philosophy behind the Sage 3's "thumbstud" (actually, I'd love if Sal would chime in!), but my best guesses are that either it was done that way to visually differentiate it from the caged ball bearing lock, or maybe because it was modeled after a particular version of Blackie Collins' design. Interestingly, the lock release on the Gerber bolt action version that I've seen actually looks quite similar to the shape/texture of the caged ball bearing lock, as shown in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rco7ohTbW10

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Postby gull wing » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:36 am

Glad to see they improved the lock action.
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Postby Lowcald » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:50 am

I have a question. I recently bought a PM2 after a tough debate between the PM2, Sage 3 CF and the Caly 3.5. The only thing I don't like about the PM2 is it is a bit bulky in the pocket. I keep it in the same pocket as my wallet and it becomes an issue when pulling my wallet out. How does the Sage 3 CF compare to the PM2 in the pocket? Does it help or hurt that it rides lower (I'm assuming it does)?
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Postby Kylems11 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:39 pm

Lowcald wrote:I have a question. I recently bought a PM2 after a tough debate between the PM2, Sage 3 CF and the Caly 3.5. The only thing I don't like about the PM2 is it is a bit bulky in the pocket. I keep it in the same pocket as my wallet and it becomes an issue when pulling my wallet out. How does the Sage 3 CF compare to the PM2 in the pocket? Does it help or hurt that it rides lower (I'm assuming it does)?

Well i dont keep my knives in the same pocket as my wallet. I keep mine in my front right pocket and it fits nicely. While my wallet is in my back pocket. Its deffinately not as bulky in the pocket as my pm2 and is also a little lighter. But like i said when im carrying my knives i dont keep anything in the same pocket as my knife. Because i dont want things rubbing against it and damaging it or preventing out of pocket deployment.
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Postby N. Brian Huegel » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:36 pm

sal wrote:Thanx for the kind words, Kylems. Glad you like it.

The "Bolt Action" was invented by the late Blackie Collins. Certainly one of the most innovative designer/inventors, if not the best, in our industry. The lock was made by Gerber in production for many years. Way ahead of its time when invented.

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Postby Michael Janich » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:41 am

Thank you all for a great discussion of a very underrated knife.

To answer your question about the handle material, it is "Cubic check carbon fiber/G-10 laminate." The top layer is carbon fiber with a geometric "cubic check" texture pattern. That is bonded to a base layer of G-10. In my opinion, it's a great balance of aesthetics and functional texture.

The "thumb stud" release is actually a significant improvement over the early production of the Bolt Action Lock. The old Gerber versions were great knives, but had a large release button on the obverse side of the handle, which made them a bit clunky and right-hand biased. The Spyderco version is not only ambidextrous, but the design of the buttons keeps dirt from getting into the mechanism.

I think highly enough of the Sage3 that I included it in a new product roundup I did at the SHOT Show. The Sage3 appears at about 2:20.

[video=youtube;qbDCRRK84A0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbDCRRK84A0[/video]

Thanks again for recognizing a very cool, often overlooked knife with some great history behind it.

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Postby timlara » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:53 am

Thanks, Mike! I have never handled one of the old Gerber models, so I missed the fact that the earlier bolt action locks were right-hand biased. I guess I must also be right-hand biased...

p.s. -- The knife manipulation tricks at the end of your video just gave me serial heart attacks!! :eek:

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Postby texashawk50 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:03 am

Is the blue sage 3 a collectable now?

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Postby timlara » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:36 am

texashawk50 wrote:Is the blue sage 3 a collectable now?
Well, it is discontinued as far as I know (i.e. it is not in the current catalog), but I've still seen them at dealers recently, so it's not terribly hard to find. Now is actually a good time to buy one since they're not fetching crazy aftermarket prices yet.

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Postby Evil D » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:00 pm

I've been really wanting the blue version, been looking everywhere for a cheap price and coming up short. I've only handled that lock one time but I really really liked it, I would love to see it on more models.
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Postby this_is_nascar » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:51 pm

Thanks for the video review and good riddance to that ugly-a** blue version :) .
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Postby remnar » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:58 pm

timlara wrote:IMO, I wouldn't say my blue one is hard to unlock by any means as it doesn't take much force to pull the lock back, but for sure the "thumbstud" on the lock release isn't super comfortable and doesn't offer the best grip. I think it would be an improvement if it were more like the plastic cage on the Manix or P'Kal ball lock, but for me, it's a pretty minor nitpick. I'd equate it to the difference between a Spyderhole for opening a blade and a thumbstud. They both work just fine, but of course the Spyderhole is easier.

I'm not sure about the design philosophy behind the Sage 3's "thumbstud" (actually, I'd love if Sal would chime in!), but my best guesses are that either it was done that way to visually differentiate it from the caged ball bearing lock, or maybe because it was modeled after a particular version of Blackie Collins' design. Interestingly, the lock release on the Gerber bolt action version that I've seen actually looks quite similar to the shape/texture of the caged ball bearing lock, as shown in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rco7ohTbW10
I find the lock on the Sage 3 easier to manipulate than the lock on the Manix. For me, the Manix lock feels very stiff and the buttons are too flat to get a good grip on. The studs on the Sage are easier for me to grip, and the fact that they are more pronounced makes them easier to find without looking at the knife.

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Postby PayneTrain » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:06 pm

I just sort of zombie ordered the blue one. I couldn't make up my mind on whether or not to get one before they were gone, but my fingers sure knew what to do. Can't really go wrong with this one, so I don't really mind. I needed a blue knife. Still, maybe I should get my card number changed to something I don't have memorized...

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Postby DougC-3 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:03 pm

PayneTrain wrote:I just sort of zombie ordered the blue one. I couldn't make up my mind on whether or not to get one before they were gone, but my fingers sure knew what to do. Can't really go wrong with this one, so I don't really mind. I needed a blue knife. Still, maybe I should get my card number changed to something I don't have memorized...
haha, me too -- it might prevent some late night impulse orders while lying in bed with netbook or tablet... but that wouldn't work long either, I'd soon put the new one in chrome autofill :o
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Postby StuntZombie » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:51 pm

Evil D wrote:I've been really wanting the blue version, been looking everywhere for a cheap price and coming up short. I've only handled that lock one time but I really really liked it, I would love to see it on more models.
I'm in the same boat. It seems they should have threatened to discontinue them earlier, because they've all pretty much disappeared.
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